Author: Brian Katz
Date: 22:04:06 11/23/03
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On November 23, 2003 at 21:16:30, William Penn wrote: >On November 23, 2003 at 11:17:17, Brian Katz wrote: > >>On November 23, 2003 at 10:49:48, Kurt Utzinger wrote: >> >>>On November 23, 2003 at 10:30:31, Brian Katz wrote: >>> >>>>Why hasn't a more recent FRITZ 8 free upgrade been released when the newest >>>>Fritz 8 CD has version 8.0.0.29? >>>>The most recent free upgrade (8.0.0.23) has bugs and is not as strong as the >>>>8.0.0.8 CD Version. >>>>That brings to mind another important question! >>>>Many players are not advanced users and may not think of preserving copies of >>>>engines before upgrading. So, many have gone to the playchess server and have >>>>been prompted to upgrade, have had there 8.0.0.8 engine converted to the >>>>inferior 8.0.0.23 version and know no other way of getting it back, other than >>>>uninstalling and reinstalling the program. On top of that, many may not even be >>>>aware that there is a problem with the engine. They paid for the CD, get >>>>prompted to an inferior upgrade, and then a new customer purchases Fritz 8 and >>>>gets the latest 8.0.0.29 version. This doesn't seem at all fair. >>>>In all fairness to the upgrade, there are some GUI features in the true 3D >>>>settings that are added, such as under the "Geometry and Board" tab, the upgrade >>>>adds the option to have the Knights look left or right or diagonal left or >>>>right. I am sure there are others. >>>>I just think that if a new CD version of the same program, in this case FRITZ 8, >>>>is out, then CHESSBASE should have the decency to offer that as an upgrade as >>>>well. >>>>All comments encouraged and welcome. Eeven if you think I am being too fussy! >>>>Thanks, >>>>Brian Katz >>> >>> Is the latest version really Fritz 8.0.0.29? I thought >>> it is Fritz 8.0.0.26 which you get when buying the Fritz >>> WM Edition >>> Kurt >>Sorry! That was a typo. I meant 8.0.0.26 >>Brian > >I believe if you reinstall from CD it goes back to 8.0.0.5, while 8.0.0.8 was an >intermediate update version. So there's apparently no way to get 8.0.0.8 unless >you happened to download that update and saved a copy. I didn't save a copy, and >can no longer find the 8.0.0.8 engine version anywhere. > >Of course I agree with your comments in general, but note that the >Fritz/Chessbase programmers are probably NOT listening to us. For example I sent >them a list of bugs in their Oct 2003 GUI update, which were NOT fixed in the >more recent Nov 2003 update. There are some Fritz GUI bugs going back several >years which they simply ignore despite repeated bug reports to them. So I doubt >that it does any good whatsoever to complain. Unfortunately they are not on our >wavelength. I imagine the reason is probably arrogance, but I don't know. >WP Actually, 8.0.0.8 is the version that came with my CD. What I also find interesting is that the playchess server only seems to recognize the GUI and not the engine version. Of course the playchess server recognizes the "Engine Name". What I am refering to is this.... I had upgraded through the prompts from the playchess server. Of course I saved a copy of the 8.0.0.8 engine before I began. (An important habit I have gotten into.) Ran through the upgrade and the 8.0.0.8 engine was converted to 8.0.0.23, and of course some GUI changes were made. After finding that I was not happy with 8.0.0.23 I switched engines. Then when using the playchess server, it does not recognize the fact that I was using 8.0.0.8 and never again prompted me for an upgrade. My point is this....If there was to be a new upgrade, I would never know through a playchess server prompt. Only if I had uninstalled and reinstalled the program or found out by some other means such as this site. If the latter was the case, I would then have to reinstall and go to the playchess server to again be prompted for an upgrade. This all seems silly to me. There surely must be a better way. Just the other day I used my other computer which still had the CD version GUI and engine 8.0.0.8 and went through the upgrade. At one point just before continuing a window shows that the upgrade was 1 of 15 which have been issued. So, who knows what is what anymore? Note that with Chessbase, going back to Fritz 7, you would find that on the Chessbase site, the initial page showing an available upgrade, would show an OLD version date. Yet when performing the upgrade the date in your information window would show the NEW date. Often times because of this I only knew of a NEW upgrade through this site. I have been rambling on long enough. Some of you may have simple answer that makes me look silly, but I welcome that with open arms! As always, any and all views welcome! Brian
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