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Subject: Re: REBELvsJUNIOR5 A sales Disaster!

Author: Robert Hyatt

Date: 19:55:13 07/02/98

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On July 02, 1998 at 17:19:59, blass uri wrote:

>On July 02, 1998 at 16:19:44, Bruce Moreland wrote:
>
>>
>>On July 02, 1998 at 05:08:07, Shaun Graham wrote:
>>
>>>So what are thoughts on the Rebel 10 Junior 5 match?  I posted in RGCC a while
>>>back, that i thought the Rebel vs Anand Match was an Extremely risky venture.
>>>Sure Shroeder will get publicity,but it will be BAD publicity, and perhaps
>>>negatively effect Rebels reputation negatively.  In the Fritz vs Anand match, at
>>>least Fritz had the The tournament win to fall back on if the match with Anand
>>>went bad(though i don't call a draw bad).  Let us not forget however that Anand
>>>had other things on his mind too before the Fritz match, like The Nixdorf
>>>Giants.  In the Rebel match his full concentration could be on totally
>>>destroying rebel!  Rebel didn't even beat Junior(taking nothing away from junior
>>>of course), but in the words of Elmer Fudd "Oh Da howror!"
>>
>>I think it is only risky if he can be compared badly to one of his competitors.
>>
>>For instance, say that Fritz beats some GM by 1.5 to 0.5, and then Rebel loses
>>by 0.0 to 2.0, then he'd be in some trouble.
>>
>>Unrealistically, actually.  Different players have different strengths and
>>weaknesses, they play more or less well against various computers at various
>>time controls, the computer may be lucky or unlucky, etc.
>>
>>Actually perhaps the public is a little more forgiving than this.
>>
>>Here is another example.
>>
>>Some time ago we had Hiarcs vs Hergott, and Hiarcs won.  I don't think this was
>>a foregone conclusion, I think an IM would be at an advantage in a 6-game match
>>at normal time controls.  I have an IM who would be willing to do another match.
>>
>>But if I offered up my own program in order to test this, and it lost the match,
>>people would see this not as evidence that IM's are better than micros when they
>>feel like playing, but rather as evidence that Hiarcs is a lot better than my
>>program.  So from my point of view, it would be very dangerous for me to do this
>>match.
>>
>>So in order to do this, I have to find another program the the public perceives
>>is better than or equal to Hiarcs, and mine isn't in this category, nobody knows
>>how good my program is.  Probably I need to use Rebel or Fritz instead.
>>
>>I have an IM, and I have a nice computer and some good programs, but what I need
>>is a sponsor, and that's harder to get.
>>
>>bruce
>
>I believe that non commercial programs can have better results because
>the IM cannot buy them and learn their weaknesses before the match.
>
>uri


not always true.  In my case (or in Bruce's) they can play us all
they want (they already do) on the various servers we visit.  I don't
think I'd have any "shock" value against any IM or GM on the planet,
as most if not all already visit the chess servers (many are anonymous,
but that's their wish)...



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