Author: Frank Phillips
Date: 04:58:40 11/25/03
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On November 25, 2003 at 02:59:12, Mig Greengard wrote: >Having debated both sides of the issue in regard to man-machine play, I'm left >wondering why opening books are used in computer-only competitions. It's one >thing to say that a Kasparov has his own mental book and preparation so the >computer should too. But what is the point of proving you can hire a better book >preparer and where is the programming glory of winning on a cooked opening line >whether by design or by chance against another machine? > >Doesn't it make sense to just dump the books and start letting these things play >the opening on their own? Or if that's too dramatic and/or ugly, to play >Nunn-style matches with balloted openings? Otherwise it seems to me that you >just try to cover up the weaknesses of your program by tweaking the book to >avoid the positions it doesn't handle. And that should be contrary to the goal >of making a good chessplaying machine. Have their been significant projects >without books? Or with computer-only generated and tuned books? > >I don't doubt this has been touched on often here but I didn't find much in the >way of good answers to this in the archives. Is the continued use of opening >books just sheer inertia, the quest to play better chess or more human chess, or >are there other reasons? Too hard to regulate the definition of "book"? It's >obvious that books are becoming more and more important and the teams are >investing more work (and money) into them to be successful in computer-computer >play. This all seems like a massive wrong turn or at best a distraction. > >One of the many suggestions for the next man-machine match is to let the human >access a his own database, perhaps a limited number of times. That way it's not >just a battle of human memory versus a specially prepared book with three >million positions entered by humans. If and when that happens, the book >advantage will be back on the human side. So it seems to me that the computer >folks (i.e. you guys) could head that plan off by curtailing the use of books or >eliminating. Instead you are increasingly dependent on them, particularly >against humans. I do not follow the logic. Humans beat each other at chess because of better memory and preparation, plus skill and other attributes of course – stamina, nerves...... The significant word seems to be competition. One skill set versus another. When computers were no threat to professional players, none of this seemed to be an issue. Is it important now because of the threat of the top humans losing? They certainly appear scared; and if GK is anything to go by would rather go out with a wimper, or is that several $M ......
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