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Subject: Re: Why use opening books in machine-machine competitions?

Author: Frank Phillips

Date: 08:17:33 11/25/03

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On November 25, 2003 at 09:34:35, Mig Greengard wrote:

>On November 25, 2003 at 07:58:40, Frank Phillips wrote:
>
>>I do not follow the logic.
>>
>>Humans beat each other at chess because of better memory and preparation, plus
>>skill and other attributes of course – stamina, nerves......
>>
>>The significant word seems to be competition.  One skill set versus another.
>>
>>When computers were no threat to professional players, none of this seemed to be
>>an issue.  Is it important now because of the threat of the top humans losing?
>>They certainly appear scared; and if GK is anything to go by would rather go out
>>with a wimper, or is that several $M ......
>
>The logic is human intereference by way of the opening book becoming more
>important than the ability of the engine to play competent chess. And my
>question was about machine-machine. With man-machine it's obvious. A
>Grandmaster-trained book of millions of moves has nothing to do with man vs
>machine at all. It's man's analysts against the machine's analyts. Unplugging
>the engine for 20 moves is silly.
>
>Obviously the problem would be brought up as it escalated to ridiculous levels,
>but questioning the validity of opening books has been around since they have.

Topical for your main point:
[1] Kingway(IM) kibitzes: Shows exactly how a better opening book can matter Big
Time.
[1] Kingway(IM) kibitzes: Calculate all you want Brutus ... you're still Busted.


Still the player has to be good enough to win.



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