Author: Bob Durrett
Date: 11:15:24 11/25/03
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On November 25, 2003 at 12:12:32, George Tsavdaris wrote: >On November 25, 2003 at 12:05:39, Djordje Vidanovic wrote: > >>On November 25, 2003 at 11:23:25, Bob Durrett wrote: >> >>>On November 25, 2003 at 11:01:34, Jonas Bylund wrote: >>> >>>>[Event "ICS Unrated Standard match"] >>>>[Site "chessclub.com"] >>>>[Date "2002.04.16"] >>>>[Round "-"] >>>>[White "*Shredder(C)"] >>>>[Black "*Brutus(C)"] >>>>[Result "*"] >>>>[WhiteElo "0"] >>>>[BlackElo "0"] >>>>[TimeControl "7200"] >>>> >>>>1. e4 c5 2. Nf3 d6 3. d4 cxd4 4. Nxd4 Nf6 5. Nc3 a6 6. Bg5 e6 7. f4 Qb6 8. >>>>Nb3 Be7 9. Qf3 Nbd7 10. O-O-O Qc7 11. Kb1 b5 12. Bd3 Bb7 13. a3 O-O-O??? 14. >>>>Qe2 Kb8 15. Rhf1 h6 16. Bh4 g5 17. Be1 gxf4 18. Rxf4 Rdg8 19. Bh4 Rg6 20. >>>>Rdf1 e5 21. Rf5 Rc8 22. g4 Bd8 23. g5 hxg5 24. Bxg5 Be7 25. h4 Qd8 >>>>* >>>> >>>>Regards >>>>Jonas >>> >>>If true, then it is a sad state of affairs. All the wonderful brilliant >>>programming and the most fantastic hardware in the World won't help a bit if the >>>game is lost while still in the Opening book. >>> >>>Bob D. >> >>Hello, >> >>do you _really_ believe that Brutus is a better chess program than Shredder? If >>you do, you are very much mistaken. It is not only a matter of opening but of >>playing the game of chess and making one's program "understand" things. That is >>exactly where Brutus and Shredder differ. Just my opinion, of course. > >Yes, and my opinion too. A good position after the opening means much, but if >the engine is not able to convert the (theoretical) advantage to a win, then >a good opening is worthless. I believe that Shredder is much more powerfull than >Brutus right now. One must be careful how one defines "good" in the context of chess engine vs chess engine matches. Perhaps a "good" opening, in this context, is one which produces an early middlegame position for which the particular engine in question is well suited but for which it's silicon opponent is poorly suited. The opening a human [i.e. lowly carbon-based unit] would find to be "good" would be one for which he/she is well suited. Kasparov won a game against Fritz partly because he got an opening which was "good" for humans but "bad" for chess engines [playing on one of those wonderful silicon-based units called a PC.] It would be interesting to know whether openings ideally suited for a normal chess engine, like Shredder, playing on a PC would be the same as openings ideally suited for Brutus, playing on that "brute" of a machine. : ) Bob D. > >> >>BTW, do not forget that Shredder 7.04 on a meagre K6-400 is over 2600 on the >>SSDF list... >> >>Djordje
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