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Subject: Re: Brutus KN / S???

Author: Matthew Hull

Date: 20:46:30 11/25/03

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On November 25, 2003 at 22:10:30, Dann Corbit wrote:

>On November 25, 2003 at 21:24:47, Matthew Hull wrote:
>
>>On November 25, 2003 at 20:57:46, Dann Corbit wrote:
>>
>>>On November 25, 2003 at 20:03:11, Jeremiah Penery wrote:
>>>
>>>>On November 25, 2003 at 01:23:27, Dann Corbit wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>On November 25, 2003 at 00:17:00, Derek Paquette wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>What KN/S is Brutus getting anyone know?
>>>>>>Or how far is it searching, or how thorough etc?
>>>>>
>>>>>From:
>>>>>http://www.talkchess.com/forums/1/message.html?330084
>>>>>8 PC cluster, with hardware acceleration.
>>>>>2.5 million NPS per card * 8 cards = 20M NPS (less threading loss, which is
>>>>>probably considerable).
>>>>>
>>>>>Might be twice that if there are two cards per machine (it isn't clear to me).
>>>>
>>>>Listening to Vincent commentate Diep games on ICC, he's been asked about Brutus
>>>>a lot.  He has said that Brutus does some 600k "software nodes" a second, where
>>>>each software node consists of a 2-3 ply hardware search.
>>>>
>>>>I don't know how accurate this is, but I would assume Vincent has gotten
>>>>first-hand knowledge from someone about it and that he wouldn't make this up.
>>>
>>>I wonder what sort of NPS Vincent is getting with a bazillion processors (doing
>>>his little part for global warming -- but then again, we're scheduled for
>>>another ice age according to the experts, so he may have just saved
>>>civilization).
>>
>>
>>Mridul has been posting the Diep read-outs on ICC.  It's running from 2 to 6
>>million NPS.  It seems that the longer it thinks, the more processesors get "on
>>board" and the numbers start to climb.  But at short time controls, the numbers
>>stay low.  Depths seem to linger around 14 to 16 ply, which for Diep are
>>apparently un-precedented.
>
>That seems low, since it has 512 processors (AFAIR).
>6e6/512=12K NPS per processor.
>At 100K NPS per processor we would see 50 million NPS, less the SMP loss.  I
>would think at least 25 M NPS.
>
>Perhaps they come on in clumps or something, instead of all starting at once.


I think Diep must have a very heavy eval.  Even on fast duals, it only gets like
150knps at best.  He claims about 50x speedup over a PC on the MIPS-based
super-comp he's using at 500 processors (460 the last two days).  I think he
said he averaged 25knps per processor.

Matt



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