Author: stuart taylor
Date: 07:05:29 11/27/03
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On November 27, 2003 at 09:13:59, Bob Durrett wrote: >On November 27, 2003 at 08:21:05, stuart taylor wrote: > >>On November 27, 2003 at 08:13:15, Uri Blass wrote: >> >>>On November 27, 2003 at 08:06:06, stuart taylor wrote: >>> >>>>On November 27, 2003 at 03:03:07, Uri Blass wrote: >>>> >>>>>On November 27, 2003 at 02:59:36, Gerald Wright wrote: >>>>> >>>>>>The Top players in the computer chess championship are all capable of drawing or >>>>>>winning a match vs Kasparov or them in the top 10. >>>>> >>>>>It is very safe to say that computer today play 2800 level chess because people >>>>>will never prove you wrong because they are not going to play enough games. >>>>> >>>>>Uri >>>> >>>>So what do you conclude from the low rated players you sometimes wrote about who >>>>beat programs like Fritz 6? (or 7?) >>>>Didn't that mean that if you study anti-computer chess properly, then the >>>>computers are much easier to beat? (and should be rated much much less?) >>>> >>>>[not PROOF, but very strong indication that they are far from 2800) >>>> >>>>S.Taylor >>> >>>It was only Fritz6 on slower hardware >>> >>>I cannot get conclusions from it about the programs of today that are clearly >>>better both in hardware and in software. >>> >>>Uri >> >>Shouldn't all that add 200 elo at the most? >>S.Taylor > >Really, that is just a rule of thumb, such as "you should develop your knights >before bishops in the opening." If you believe the Fritz guys, Fritz is being >changed so that it will do better at positional chess and in chess against >humans. If they are successful, then they will be plugging a few holes in the >Fritz vs Human games. Maybe the anti-computer strategies of the past will not >be as successful in the future. It would be interesting to see if any >"low-rated" humans can still whip Fritz by anti-computer strategies. The same >applies for all the rest of the front-runner chess engines. > >Bob D. Therefore, even if computers were about 2200, they quickly become 2800 simply by becoming less vulnerable to anti-computer play? S.Taylor
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