Author: Bob Durrett
Date: 07:50:32 11/27/03
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On November 27, 2003 at 10:05:29, stuart taylor wrote: >On November 27, 2003 at 09:13:59, Bob Durrett wrote: > >>On November 27, 2003 at 08:21:05, stuart taylor wrote: >> >>>On November 27, 2003 at 08:13:15, Uri Blass wrote: >>> >>>>On November 27, 2003 at 08:06:06, stuart taylor wrote: >>>> >>>>>On November 27, 2003 at 03:03:07, Uri Blass wrote: >>>>> >>>>>>On November 27, 2003 at 02:59:36, Gerald Wright wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>>The Top players in the computer chess championship are all capable of drawing or >>>>>>>winning a match vs Kasparov or them in the top 10. >>>>>> >>>>>>It is very safe to say that computer today play 2800 level chess because people >>>>>>will never prove you wrong because they are not going to play enough games. >>>>>> >>>>>>Uri >>>>> >>>>>So what do you conclude from the low rated players you sometimes wrote about who >>>>>beat programs like Fritz 6? (or 7?) >>>>>Didn't that mean that if you study anti-computer chess properly, then the >>>>>computers are much easier to beat? (and should be rated much much less?) >>>>> >>>>>[not PROOF, but very strong indication that they are far from 2800) >>>>> >>>>>S.Taylor >>>> >>>>It was only Fritz6 on slower hardware >>>> >>>>I cannot get conclusions from it about the programs of today that are clearly >>>>better both in hardware and in software. >>>> >>>>Uri >>> >>>Shouldn't all that add 200 elo at the most? >>>S.Taylor >> >>Really, that is just a rule of thumb, such as "you should develop your knights >>before bishops in the opening." If you believe the Fritz guys, Fritz is being >>changed so that it will do better at positional chess and in chess against >>humans. If they are successful, then they will be plugging a few holes in the >>Fritz vs Human games. Maybe the anti-computer strategies of the past will not >>be as successful in the future. It would be interesting to see if any >>"low-rated" humans can still whip Fritz by anti-computer strategies. The same >>applies for all the rest of the front-runner chess engines. >> >>Bob D. > >Therefore, even if computers were about 2200, they quickly become 2800 simply by >becoming less vulnerable to anti-computer play? >S.Taylor My perception is that the computers are already at 2800 except for the "holes." If this is true, then plugging the holes will get rid of these embarrassing losses to 2200 players. This is not intended, however, to suggest that the deficiencies of chess engines in long-range planning have been solved yet. I believe that this latter problem can be solved too, but I am in the minority here in that belief perhaps. Maybe the Fritz guys are working on the long-range planning problem too. Bob D.
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