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Subject: Re: Is it safe to say then that Computers today play 2800 level chess?

Author: Drexel,Michael

Date: 10:06:43 11/27/03

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On November 27, 2003 at 10:37:26, George Tsavdaris wrote:

>On November 27, 2003 at 07:57:53, Drexel,Michael wrote:
>
>>On November 27, 2003 at 02:59:36, Gerald Wright wrote:
>>
>>>The Top players in the computer chess championship are all capable of drawing or
>>>winning a match vs Kasparov or them in the top 10.
>>
>>No.
>>It was almost always a team of strong humans and computer that was capable of
>>drawing matches against the top 10 players.
>>
>>So computers are maybe 2800 (rather 2700) level if you have always some human GM
>>at hand to study the style and the prefered openings of the human opponent.
>>He might find some weaknesses (and also strengths to avoid them) in order to
>>adjust the opening book and some parameters accordingly.
>>
>>Your home PC is for sure not 2800 level at tournament time controls.
>
>I agree with the last but not with any of the above.
> Human GM's also have their trainers that study the program the GM will play,
>and select the opening book they will use, depending on the weaknesses of the
>program. If they were on their own, their strength would be much lower.
> Remember Kasparov complaining about not being able to study the games of
>Deep-Blue? That means he and his assistants before any match, take Fritz and
>study it's weaknesses and it's strong points. Without doing that he would have a
>much harder time with Fritz. So if humans do that, why not computers.
>THE IMPORTANT is, which of the two (human-comp) can play better with all the
>best help-study he/it can get. And right now humans can play better but
>computers can balance this by not making mistakes. So the game is draw.

The qestion is not whether computers can draw matches against the top
chessplayers.

The question is whether they play 2800 level chess or not.

So how would they perform against weaker players compared to the best humans?

Michael





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