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Subject: Comparison Crafty with List (2 test positions)

Author: Kurt Utzinger

Date: 14:13:05 11/27/03


Comparison Crafty 19.03 and List 5.40 (P4 1.8/32 MB hash)
Test 1: level 120'/40 starting with 1st move without book
Test 2: level 120'740 starting after 1.e4 without book

Some observations:
- different numer Kn/s
- not identical evaluation
- other main lines
- not the same time management
- different sorting of moves
- moves played out are not identical

Conclusion for me: List can't be a Crafty clone.


Vergleich Crafty 19.03 und List 5.04 (P4 1.8/32 MB hash)
Test 1: Stufe 120'/40 ab 1. Zug ohne Buch
Test 2: Stufe 120'/40 ab 1...Zug ohne Buch nach 1.e4

Es gibt folgenden Abweichungen:
- unterschiedliche Knotenzahl/Sekunde
- andere Bewertungen
- abweichende Hauptvarianten
- nicht identisches Zeitmanagement
- ungleiche Sortierung der Bestzüge
- teilweise andere ausgespielte Züge

Für mich also keine Frage: List ist kein Crafty-Clone


Crafty 19.03 - Utzinger,K
rnbqkbnr/pppppppp/8/8/8/8/PPPPPPPP/RNBQKBNR w KQkq - 0 1

Analysis by Crafty 19.03:

1.e4
  =  (0.25)   Depth: 1/2   00:00:00
1.e4 d5
  =  (-0.19)   Depth: 2/2   00:00:00
1.e4 d5 2.Nc3 dxe4 3.Nxe4
  =  (0.05)   Depth: 3/5   00:00:00
1.d4 d5 2.Nf3
  =  (0.11)   Depth: 3/5   00:00:00
1.d4 d5 2.Nf3 Nf6
  =  (-0.19)   Depth: 4/9   00:00:00
1.d4 d5 2.Nf3 Nf6 3.Bf4
  =  (0.07)   Depth: 5/10   00:00:00
1.e3 e5 2.Nf3 Nc6 3.Nc3
  =  (0.08)   Depth: 5/10   00:00:00
1.e3 Nc6 2.Nf3 d5
  =  (-0.23)   Depth: 6/13   00:00:00  18kN
1.d4 d5 2.Nf3 Nf6 3.Bf4 Bf5
  =  (-0.19)   Depth: 6/13   00:00:00  22kN
1.d4 Nf6 2.Nf3 d6 3.Nc3 Bf5 4.Bf4
  =  (0.05)   Depth: 7/15   00:00:00  47kN
1.d4 Nf6 2.Nf3 d6 3.Nc3 Bf5 4.Bf4 Nbd7
  =  (-0.20)   Depth: 8/17   00:00:00  123kN
1.e4 Nc6 2.Nf3 Nf6 3.e5 Ng4 4.d4 e6
  =  (-0.10)   Depth: 8/17   00:00:00  304kN
1.e4 Nc6 2.Nf3 Nf6 3.Nc3 d5 4.e5 Ne4 5.d4 Nxc3 6.bxc3
  =  (0.03)   Depth: 9/21   00:00:01  584kN
1.Nf3 e6 2.Nc3 Nf6 3.e4 d5 4.d3 Bb4 5.Bd2
  =  (0.04)   Depth: 9/21   00:00:02  1006kN
1.Nf3 e6 2.d4 Nc6 3.e3 Nh6 4.Nbd2 d5 5.Bd3 Bd6
  =  (-0.08)   Depth: 10/26   00:00:04  2105kN
1.Nf3 d5 2.Nc3 Nc6 3.d4 Nf6 4.e3
  =  (0.01)   Depth: 11/26   00:00:12  5663kN
1.e4 Nc6 2.Nf3 e6
  =  (0.11)   Depth: 11/26   00:00:19  8872kN
1.e4 Nc6 2.Nf3 e6 3.Nc3 Nf6 4.e5 Ng4 5.d4 d5 6.h3 Nh6
  =  (0.01)   Depth: 12/27   00:00:31  15024kN
1.e4 Nc6 2.Nc3 e6 3.Nf3
  =  (0.10)   Depth: 13/28   00:01:27  41693kN

(Utzinger, MyTown 27.11.2003)

List 504 - Utzinger,K
rnbqkbnr/pppppppp/8/8/8/8/PPPPPPPP/RNBQKBNR w KQkq - 0 1

Analysis by List 504:

1.e4 e5 2.d4 exd4 3.Qxd4 d6
  =  (0.19)   Depth: 5   00:00:00  4kN
1.d4 d5 2.e3 e6 3.Bd2
  =  (0.20)   Depth: 5   00:00:00  6kN
1.d4 d5 2.e3 e6 3.Bd2 Bd6
  =  (0.00)   Depth: 6   00:00:00  11kN
1.e4 d5 2.exd5 Qxd5 3.d3 Qe5+ 4.Qe2 Nc6
  =  (0.06)   Depth: 6   00:00:00  33kN
1.e4 d5 2.exd5 Qxd5 3.Nc3 Qd8 4.Bb5+ c6 5.Bc4
  =  (0.14)   Depth: 7   00:00:00  90kN
1.d4 d5 2.e3 e6 3.Bd2 Bd6 4.Bd3
  =  (0.20)   Depth: 7   00:00:00  106kN
1.d4 e6 2.e4 d5 3.exd5 Qxd5 4.c3 Qe4+ 5.Qe2 Qd5
  =  (0.05)   Depth: 8   00:00:00  253kN
1.d4 d5 2.e3 e6 3.Bd2 Bd6 4.Bd3 Bd7 5.f4
  =  (0.12)   Depth: 9   00:00:01  650kN
1.e4 d5 2.e5 d4 3.d3 e6 4.Bd2 Nc6 5.Nf3
  =  (0.18)   Depth: 9   00:00:02  1077kN
1.e4 e6 2.d4 d5 3.e5 Bd7 4.Bd3 g5 5.Bd2 h5
  =  (0.12)   Depth: 10   00:00:07  4120kN
1.e4 d5 2.exd5 Qxd5 3.Nc3 Qd8 4.d4 e6 5.Bf4 Bd7 6.Bb5 Bxb5
  =  (0.12)   Depth: 11   00:00:14  8284kN
1.e4 e5 2.Nf3 Nf6 3.Nc3 Nc6 4.d4 Bb4 5.d5 Ne7 6.Nxe5 Nxe4
  =  (0.15)   Depth: 12   00:00:46  27375kN
1.e4 e5 2.Nf3 Nf6 3.Nc3 Bb4 4.Bc4 d6 5.0-0 0-0 6.d3 Bxc3 7.bxc3 Bd7
  =  (0.15)   Depth: 13   00:01:55  69828kN

(Utzinger, MyTown 27.11.2003)

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Utzinger,K - Crafty 19.03
rnbqkbnr/pppppppp/8/8/4P3/8/PPPP1PPP/RNBQKBNR b KQkq e3 0 1

Analysis by Crafty 19.03:

1...d5
  =  (0.19)   Depth: 1/4   00:00:00
1...d5 2.d3
  ²  (0.39)   Depth: 2/4   00:00:00
1...d5 2.Nc3 Nf6
  =  (0.19)   Depth: 3/8   00:00:00
1...d5 2.d3 e5 3.Nc3
  ²  (0.33)   Depth: 4/11   00:00:00
1...d5 2.exd5 Qxd5 3.Nc3 Qd4
  =  (0.19)   Depth: 5/12   00:00:00
1...d5 2.e5 Bf5 3.d4 Nd7 4.Nf3
  ²  (0.33)   Depth: 6/13   00:00:00  35kN
1...d5 2.exd5 Qxd5 3.Nc3 Qe5+ 4.Nge2 Bg4 5.d3
  ²  (0.28)   Depth: 7/15   00:00:00  87kN
1...e5 2.Nc3 Nc6 3.Nf3 Bc5 4.Na4 Bb4
  =  (0.20)   Depth: 7/15   00:00:00  162kN
1...Nc6 2.Nc3 Nf6 3.Bc4 e5 4.Nf3 Bc5
  =  (0.19)   Depth: 7/15   00:00:00  212kN
1...Nc6 2.Nc3 Nf6 3.Nf3 d5 4.e5 Ne4 5.d4 Nxc3 6.bxc3
  ²  (0.41)   Depth: 8/24   00:00:01  333kN
1...d5 2.e5 e6 3.d4 Bb4+ 4.c3 Be7 5.Bb5+ Bd7 6.Bd3
  ²  (0.32)   Depth: 8/24   00:00:01  533kN
1...d5 2.exd5 Qxd5 3.Nc3 Qd8 4.Bb5+ c6 5.Bc4 b5 6.Be2
  ²  (0.27)   Depth: 9/24   00:00:02  1110kN
1...d5 2.exd5 Qxd5 3.Nf3 Nc6 4.Nc3 Qf5 5.Nb5 Qe4+ 6.Qe2 Qf4
  ²  (0.45)   Depth: 10/24   00:00:04  2030kN
1...e5 2.Nf3 Nc6 3.d4 exd4 4.Nxd4 Nf6 5.Bg5 Nxd4 6.Qxd4 d6
  ²  (0.44)   Depth: 10/24   00:00:09  4255kN
1...e5 2.Nf3 Nf6 3.d4 Nxe4 4.Bd3 d5 5.Nxe5 Bd6 6.f3 Bb4+ 7.Nd2
  ²  (0.31)   Depth: 11/30   00:00:22  10499kN
1...e5 2.Nf3 Nf6 3.Nc3 Nc6 4.Bb5 Bc5 5.0-0 0-0 6.Bxc6 dxc6 7.Nxe5
  ²  (0.43)   Depth: 12/30   00:00:49  23338kN
1...e5 2.Nf3 Nf6 3.Nxe5 Qe7 4.Nf3 Qxe4+ 5.Be2 Be7 6.Nc3 Qg4 7.0-0 0-0 8.Re1
  ²  (0.36)   Depth: 13/31   00:02:47  79857kN

(Utzinger, MyTown 27.11.2003)


Utzinger,K - List 504
rnbqkbnr/pppppppp/8/8/4P3/8/PPPP1PPP/RNBQKBNR b KQkq e3 0 1

Analysis by List 504:

1...e5 2.d4 Qh4 3.Nc3 d5
  ²  (0.37)   Depth: 5   00:00:00  7kN
1...d5 2.exd5 Qxd5 3.d3 Qe5+ 4.Qe2 Nc6
  =  (0.06)   Depth: 5   00:00:00  14kN
1...d5 2.exd5 Qxd5 3.Nc3 Qd8 4.Bb5+ c6 5.Bc4
  =  (0.14)   Depth: 6   00:00:00  33kN
1...d5 2.exd5 Qxd5 3.Nc3 Qe5+ 4.Be2 Nc6 5.Nf3 Qd6
  =  (0.07)   Depth: 7   00:00:00  124kN
1...d5 2.e5 d4 3.d3 e6 4.Bd2 Nc6 5.Nf3
  =  (0.18)   Depth: 8   00:00:00  390kN
1...d5 2.exd5 Qxd5 3.Nc3 Qe5+ 4.Be2 Nc6 5.Nf3 Qf6 6.d4 e6
  =  (0.19)   Depth: 9   00:00:02  1280kN
1...Nc6 2.d4 d5 3.e5 e6 4.Nf3 Be7 5.Bd3 Bd7
  =  (0.16)   Depth: 9   00:00:04  2383kN
1...e6 2.d4 d5 3.e5 Bd7 4.Bd3 h5 5.Bd2 g5
  =  (0.12)   Depth: 9   00:00:06  3609kN
1...e6 2.d4 d5 3.e5 c5 4.Nf3 c4 5.Bg5 Be7 6.h4
  =  (0.16)   Depth: 10   00:00:09  5063kN
1...d5 2.exd5 Qxd5 3.Nc3 Qd8 4.d4 e6 5.Bf4 Bd7 6.Bb5 Bxb5
  =  (0.12)   Depth: 10   00:00:11  6393kN
1...d5 2.exd5 Qxd5 3.Nc3 Qd8 4.Bc4 c6 5.a4 e6 6.d3 Bd6 7.Be3
  =  (0.22)   Depth: 11   00:00:17  10252kN
1...e5 2.Nf3 Nf6 3.Nc3 Nc6 4.d4 Bb4 5.d5 Ne7 6.Nxe5 Nxe4
  =  (0.15)   Depth: 11   00:00:37  22159kN
1...e5 2.Nf3 Nf6 3.Nc3 Bb4 4.Bc4 d6 5.0-0 0-0 6.d3 Bxc3 7.bxc3 Bd7
  =  (0.15)   Depth: 12   00:01:07  40593kN
1...d5 2.exd5 Qxd5 3.Nc3 Qd8 4.d4 e6 5.Nf3 Bd7 6.d5 Bb4 7.dxe6 Bxc3+ 8.bxc3 fxe6
  =  (0.14)   Depth: 12   00:01:22  50318kN
1...d5 2.exd5 Qxd5 3.Nc3 Qe6+ 4.Be2 Qg6 5.Bf3 c6 6.d3 e5 7.Be3 Qf6 8.a3 Bf5
  =  (0.25)   Depth: 13   00:02:17  85184kN
1...e6 2.d4 d5 3.exd5 exd5 4.Bd3 Bd6 5.Ne2 Nf6 6.0-0 0-0 7.Re1 Re8 8.Bf4
  =  (0.21)   Depth: 13   00:05:16  196728kN

(Utzinger, MyTown 27.11.2003)





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