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Subject: Re: Having Read David Levy's Charges about LIST>>>

Author: Andrew Williams

Date: 15:23:50 11/27/03

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On November 27, 2003 at 18:19:02, Bob Durrett wrote:

>On November 27, 2003 at 18:09:33, Andrew Williams wrote:
>
>>On November 27, 2003 at 18:06:37, Bob Durrett wrote:
>>
>>>On November 27, 2003 at 17:59:08, Andrew Williams wrote:
>>>
>>>>On November 27, 2003 at 17:55:19, Bob Durrett wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>On November 27, 2003 at 17:42:58, margolies,marc wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>These are not charges based upon LIST's <<performance>> in a direct
>>>>>>way--Although all of LIST's defenders offer counter-proof regarding different
>>>>>>performance characteristics between Crafty and LIST.
>>>>>>The charge is PLAGIARISM-- lifting of (some)code. The Programmer in question has
>>>>>>not responded to the commitee's request for proof with a defense (according to
>>>>>>Levy's Report--I have no direct knowledge) therefore the Commitee had to act to
>>>>>>protect the legitimacy of the Tournament. Also the commitee's action were a
>>>>>>response to a complaint by an (unnamed) tournament participant who has standing
>>>>>>to do so.
>>>>>
>>>>>The "committee" has no legal authority.  Plagiarism is a violation of law, at
>>>>>least in some Countries.  The individual suffering damages from plagiarism can
>>>>>seek and obtain compensation in a duly constituted Civil Court of Law. The
>>>>>"committee" is NOT a Court of Law.  They have no business trying to pretend
>>>>>otherwise.  They run risks by their own actions.  They have no authority to
>>>>>judge and punish someone for a law violation and they have no authority to
>>>>>create their own laws either.  In other words, this "committee" has put itself
>>>>>out on a very fragile limb.  Let's just hope that the programmer has a very good
>>>>>sense of humor.
>>>>>
>>>>>Bob D.
>>>>
>>>>This is ridiculous. The tournament is a competition which is held under the
>>>>auspices of the ICGA. They set some rules. They are entitled to hold the
>>>>participants to those rules.
>>>
>>>Tournament Directors and the ICGA are not immune.  Tournament Directors can and
>>>have been sued in the past.  Sometimes their authority goes to their heads and
>>>they assume that they have more authority than they have.  Incidentally, in case
>>>you wonder, I NEVER had any problem with tournament directors.  Maybe that's
>>>because I always followed the rules.
>>>
>>>Bob D.
>>
>>The point is that the TDs can't be sued or censured in any way if they have
>>followed their own rules. It doesn't matter what their rules are, because by
>>entering the competition, List's author agreed to them. The question therefore
>>doesn't relate to rules outside of the ICGA's remit - it only relates to the
>>extent to which the organization's own rules were followed.
>>
>>Andrew
>
>Well, this is not the right place for a legal debate.  You must admit, however,
>that someone really did make a bad decision.
>
>Incidentally, I have just made up one of my new rules:  It's OK for me to rob a
>bank.  I wonder whether or not my following my own rules will be sufficient
>defense in a REAL court of law if I am caught?
>

Only if the bank agreed to your rules.

>Oh well, it's getting absurd.  Let's just hang Vincent and be done with it.
>
>: )
>
>Bob D.
>

I don't know of any reason to believe that Vincent was involved.

AW



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