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Subject: Re: Who has burden of proof, author or Tournament Committee?

Author: Roger D Davis

Date: 17:36:58 11/27/03

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On November 27, 2003 at 20:34:50, Sally Weltrop wrote:

>On November 27, 2003 at 20:05:22, Roger D Davis wrote:
>
>>>If you read this carefully, you'll note that the rules state that "PROGRAMS
>>WHICH ARE DISCOVERED TO BE CLOSE DERIVATIVES OF OTHERS...MAY BE DECLARED
>>INVALID."
>>
>>Note that the wording is explicit...only those which are DISCOVERED should be
>>declared invalid. It doesn't say that "PROGRAMS AGAINST WHICH CIRCUMSTANTIAL
>>CLAIMS ARE LAUNCHED MAY BE DECLARED INVALID."
>>
>>The process of discovery was violated because the accuser was never asked to
>>provide anything more than circumstantial evidence. The letter at chessbase
>>makes it clear that the committee apparently felt some obligation to the
>>accuser:
>>
>>"In order to...to provide the complainant with an answer..."
>>
>>So the committee felt it had an obligation to satisfy the complainant, when in
>>fact, the obligation of the committee was to request solid evidence from the
>>complainant, not circumstantial evidence. You can't DISCOVER A PROGRAM TO BE A
>>CLOSE DERIVATIVE base on circumstantial evidence, and you can't disqualify such
>>a program, based on the charter. The burden of proof was put on the author, who
>>apparently thought it was BS, and he walked.
>>
>>My theory, therefore, that the accuser has some special relationship with the
>>committee members. Who is the accuser to have such a special relationship?
>>
>>Roger
>
>Roger,
>U brought up a good point. It makes sense to me. How can "List" be discovered
>when no clear proof has been forwarded. This makes ICGA look a little shaky and
>I think they made a big mistake.
>
> Why did they let "List" play in the first place?
>
> Why didn't they just allow "List" to finish the tournament and settle it
>afterwards considering the circumstances? Meet the programmer in person AND with
>his supervision let them look at the source code.
>
>The whole situation kind of smells here and it isn't "List"


I have to agree. There were other options that the committee never considered.

Roger



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