Author: Robert Hyatt
Date: 18:12:38 11/27/03
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On November 27, 2003 at 19:56:18, Chessfun wrote: >On November 27, 2003 at 19:45:54, Robert Hyatt wrote: > >>On November 27, 2003 at 18:15:34, Amir Ban wrote: >> >>> >>>Here is the List-Brutus game from 7th round. >>> >>>Can anyone get any crafty version with any setting to play List's 13. Be2 or 19. >>>Qd4 ? >>> >> >>I'm not goint to get involved in this, since the ICGA has not asked me for >>any advice, analysis, or anything else. >> >>However, whether a program plays move X and Y has _nothing_ to do with >>whether that program is a clone or not. I can make a couple of very simple >>changes to Crafty and make it play _significantly_ different. >> >>This is the _wrong_ way to investigate this. The simplest way to prove or >>disprove this claim is for someone to obtain a copy of the source of List, >>then verify that it plays the moves actually played in the game (to verify >>that the source provided most likely is the source that played the actual >>games) then that source can be looked at carefully. If it is a copy of >>Crafty, this should be pretty easy to verify. I have done this in the >>past, myself, even without the source. IE voyager and le petite come to >>mind. >> >>I think that just saying "list plays the same moves as Crafty" or vice-versa >>really doesn't prove that one is a clone of (or derived from) the other. It >>is something that might raise the level of "interest", but it is not the >>"smoking gun" that is needed to really make such a strong accusation. > >I agree with all that. > >As List 5.04 was available by Chessbase didn't they see the source code in order >to create a Chessbase version?. > >Sarah. > You would think so, wouldn't you? > > > >>I assume the ICGA has something more to go on, that we are not aware of. >> >> >> >>>Amir >>> >>> >>>[Event "WCCC 11th"] >>>[Site "Graz"] >>>[Date "2003.11.26"] >>>[Round "7"] >>>[White "List"] >>>[Black "Brutus"] >>>[Result "1/2-1/2"] >>>[ECO "A00"] >>>[PlyCount "134"] >>>[EventDate "2003.??.??"] >>> >>>1. Nc3 d5 2. e4 dxe4 3. Nxe4 Nd7 4. d4 Ngf6 5. Ng3 h5 6. Bd3 c5 7. Nf3 h4 8. >>>Ne2 h3 9. gxh3 a6 10. Ng5 cxd4 11. Nxd4 Nc5 12. Bc4 e6 13. Be2 Nfe4 14. Nxe4 >>>Nxe4 15. Qd3 f5 16. Nb3 Qf6 17. c3 Bd7 18. Be3 Bb5 19. Qd4 Bxe2 20. Qxf6 Nxf6 >>>21. Kxe2 Rxh3 22. Nd4 Kf7 23. Nf3 Kg8 24. Ng5 Rh6 25. Nf3 Rh5 26. Bd4 Nd5 27. >>>Be5 a5 28. Rhg1 Rh7 29. Rad1 Rc8 30. Rd4 Nb6 31. Bd6 Bxd6 32. Rxd6 Na4 33. Rd2 >>>b5 34. h4 Nb6 35. Kf1 b4 36. cxb4 axb4 37. Rd4 b3 38. axb3 Rh6 39. Kg2 Kf7 40. >>>Ra1 Nd5 41. Rc4 Rb8 42. Ne5+ Kg8 43. Ra7 Rxb3 44. Nf7 Rg6+ 45. Ng5 Rb8 46. Kf1 >>>Rf6 47. Rd4 Rg6 48. b3 Rh6 49. Kg2 Rg6 50. f3 Nf6 51. Re7 Nd5 52. Rxe6 Rxe6 53. >>>Nxe6 Rb5 54. Kf2 Kf7 55. Nf4 Nxf4 56. Rxf4 Rxb3 57. Rxf5+ Kg6 58. Rg5+ Kf6 59. >>>Rc5 Kg6 60. Rc6+ Kh5 61. Kg3 Rb1 62. Rc5+ Kg6 63. Re5 Kf6 64. Ra5 Kg6 65. Kg2 >>>Rb2+ 66. Kh3 Rb1 67. Rg5+ Kf6 1/2-1/2
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