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Subject: Re: Improving crafty by 100 points ? Put your money where your ...

Author: Peter Fendrich

Date: 05:15:27 11/28/03

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On November 28, 2003 at 07:44:36, Georg v. Zimmermann wrote:

>Disclaimer: the following is not legally binding. It is an offer to negotiate.
>Nevertheless, it is a serious proposal.
>
>It has been repeatetly stated that a 'clone' of crafty can not be 100 or more
>elo stronger, by many people here.
>
>I do not believe so. How about a bet ?
>
>I would state that I can improve Crafty by 100 points or more within 4 month.
>
>Since it would involve many sleepless nights I would want the opposition to
>"feel the pain" as well. I would want this bet to be *at least* $5000 worth for
>me. And since I am a student I dont think I can offer a ratio better than 1:5 in
>my favor. But keep in mind that I have to do all the work.
>
>I am willing to bet with multiple people on this, to raise this ammount. But to
>raise the ammount should be no problem, considering how many stupid rich folks
>with high GHz computers post here. :-)
>
>Testing proedure:
>I am very flexible here, make your suggestion. Something like 1000 games , 100
>each against a selection of opponents of which 5 are stronger and 5 weaker than
>Crafty sounds fair. Maybe even more different opponents, so I can not "tune"
>against them.
>Important is that the exact procedure, including versions to play against and
>crafty version to compare against, and exact machine to run the tests on, his
>agreed beforehand.
>Note I consider the book part of the engine !
>Actually 100 points seems a bit low on consideration. If thats a problem I might
>be willing to raise it a bit.
>
>Betting procedure:
>I suggest some arbiters who are universally respected, if they are willing.
>Prof. Hyatt comes to mind of course. I suggest all money is paid to them on
>completion of the bet. This avoids many possible problems.
>
>What is a clone:
>My clone would have to have significant Crafty code in it. We would need to
>discuss how significant. I would think using Crafty Move Generation should be
>seen as enough. Of course, I would have to submit code to the arbiter, and show
>I am not "cloning" any other program.
>
>--
>
>This is a pretty good offer, people. Remember I am a pretty bad programmer. My
>"own" program (which i didnt even completely write by myself) is rated around
>2100 only in the winboard lists.
>Also I am a law student. And my state examination is in one year, so I dont even
>really have time for this.
>
>Georg

a law student?
I think I have to re-read this very very carefully... :-)
/Peter



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