Author: Kim Roper Jensen
Date: 07:08:41 11/28/03
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On November 28, 2003 at 07:44:36, Georg v. Zimmermann wrote: >Disclaimer: the following is not legally binding. It is an offer to negotiate. >Nevertheless, it is a serious proposal. > >It has been repeatetly stated that a 'clone' of crafty can not be 100 or more >elo stronger, by many people here. > >I do not believe so. How about a bet ? > >I would state that I can improve Crafty by 100 points or more within 4 month. > >Since it would involve many sleepless nights I would want the opposition to >"feel the pain" as well. I would want this bet to be *at least* $5000 worth for >me. And since I am a student I dont think I can offer a ratio better than 1:5 in >my favor. But keep in mind that I have to do all the work. > >I am willing to bet with multiple people on this, to raise this ammount. But to >raise the ammount should be no problem, considering how many stupid rich folks >with high GHz computers post here. :-) > >Testing proedure: >I am very flexible here, make your suggestion. Something like 1000 games , 100 >each against a selection of opponents of which 5 are stronger and 5 weaker than >Crafty sounds fair. Maybe even more different opponents, so I can not "tune" >against them. >Important is that the exact procedure, including versions to play against and >crafty version to compare against, and exact machine to run the tests on, his >agreed beforehand. >Note I consider the book part of the engine ! >Actually 100 points seems a bit low on consideration. If thats a problem I might >be willing to raise it a bit. > >Betting procedure: >I suggest some arbiters who are universally respected, if they are willing. >Prof. Hyatt comes to mind of course. I suggest all money is paid to them on >completion of the bet. This avoids many possible problems. > >What is a clone: >My clone would have to have significant Crafty code in it. We would need to >discuss how significant. I would think using Crafty Move Generation should be >seen as enough. Of course, I would have to submit code to the arbiter, and show >I am not "cloning" any other program. > >-- > >This is a pretty good offer, people. Remember I am a pretty bad programmer. My >"own" program (which i didnt even completely write by myself) is rated around >2100 only in the winboard lists. >Also I am a law student. And my state examination is in one year, so I dont even >really have time for this. > >Georg Why would you want money ?? As I see it money doesnt make it a more serious bet, if you want a serious bet then do it for free and release the improvements to Robert Hyatt. That should earn you more respect and good karma than the money IMHO. With regards Kim
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