Author: Mike Byrne
Date: 09:56:02 11/28/03
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On November 28, 2003 at 07:44:36, Georg v. Zimmermann wrote: >Disclaimer: the following is not legally binding. It is an offer to negotiate. >Nevertheless, it is a serious proposal. > >It has been repeatetly stated that a 'clone' of crafty can not be 100 or more >elo stronger, by many people here. > >I do not believe so. How about a bet ? > >I would state that I can improve Crafty by 100 points or more within 4 month. > >Since it would involve many sleepless nights I would want the opposition to >"feel the pain" as well. I would want this bet to be *at least* $5000 worth for >me. And since I am a student I dont think I can offer a ratio better than 1:5 in >my favor. But keep in mind that I have to do all the work. > >I am willing to bet with multiple people on this, to raise this ammount. But to >raise the ammount should be no problem, considering how many stupid rich folks >with high GHz computers post here. :-) > >Testing proedure: >I am very flexible here, make your suggestion. Something like 1000 games , 100 >each against a selection of opponents of which 5 are stronger and 5 weaker than >Crafty sounds fair. Maybe even more different opponents, so I can not "tune" >against them. >Important is that the exact procedure, including versions to play against and >crafty version to compare against, and exact machine to run the tests on, his >agreed beforehand. >Note I consider the book part of the engine ! >Actually 100 points seems a bit low on consideration. If thats a problem I might >be willing to raise it a bit. > >Betting procedure: >I suggest some arbiters who are universally respected, if they are willing. >Prof. Hyatt comes to mind of course. I suggest all money is paid to them on >completion of the bet. This avoids many possible problems. > >What is a clone: >My clone would have to have significant Crafty code in it. We would need to >discuss how significant. I would think using Crafty Move Generation should be >seen as enough. Of course, I would have to submit code to the arbiter, and show >I am not "cloning" any other program. > >-- > >This is a pretty good offer, people. Remember I am a pretty bad programmer. My >"own" program (which i didnt even completely write by myself) is rated around >2100 only in the winboard lists. >Also I am a law student. And my state examination is in one year, so I dont even >really have time for this. > >Georg This is a joke ...a hundred points is way too much to get out of Crafty. Crafty is heavily optimized and any modifications to Crafty usually results in a give/take situation. I have been modififying Crafty for years ... ocassionaly might come with one that better results in "head to to head" -- usually it will be worse or same against other programs. But we're talking maybe 20-30 elo. I am always suspicious of claims made of 100 elo point improvement through software alone...it could be done (anything is possible) but highly unlikely ...you are making a sucker's bet ...save your money...my suggestion is to try it first ..and then if still confident make your proclamation to the world...at least know what you are getting into before running at the mouth ...
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