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Subject: Re: Could Junior, Fritz, Shredder, HIARCS & Tiger be Clones of Crafty? : )

Author: Bob Durrett

Date: 12:23:52 11/28/03

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On November 28, 2003 at 15:19:48, Uri Blass wrote:

>On November 28, 2003 at 15:13:58, Bob Durrett wrote:
>
>>On November 28, 2003 at 15:02:55, Uri Blass wrote:
>>
>>>On November 28, 2003 at 14:47:21, Bob Durrett wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>>After all, who is to offer PROOF that it isn't so?  For the Junior, Fritz,
>>>>Shredder, HIARCS & Tiger programmers to offer proof, they would have to reveal
>>>>their source code, which they surely will not do.
>>>>
>>>>Hyatt has often said that his code is not optimized.  Maybe the front-runner
>>>>commercial programs are just improved versions of Crafty!  If Crafty can be made
>>>>100 points better by an attorney, what could talented chess programmers
>>>>accomplish?
>>>>
>>>>: )
>>>>
>>>>Bob D.
>>>
>>>
>>>Maybe you talk nonsense.
>>>The evaluation of commercial programs is different than Crafty and there is
>>>knowledge of Crafty that at least part of the commercial programs have not.
>>>
>>>Uri
>>
>>Obviously, my bulletin was pure intended humor.  : )
>>
>>If you don't believe it, just look at the smileys!  : )
>>
>>But, to be serious [for just a minute], I must say I'm confused by your
>>"evaluation of commercial programs" and unclear as to why you believe that at
>>least part of the commercial programs do not have "knowledge of Crafty."
>>
>>[I don't mean to ridicule your English.  I just don't understand. Perhaps you
>>could elaborate?]
>>
>>Other than the fact that the programs play better than Crafty, what evidence is
>>there?  A greatly improved Crafty would certainly play better than the version
>>of the Crafty I have, version 19.03.
>>
>>Bob D.
>
>I mean to say that there are positions when they play worse than Crafty and I
>remember examples when Crafty had more knowledge than commercial programs about
>pawn majorities in the endgame.

Well, that could be explained easily enough.  Perhaps they did not do a perfect
job of improving Crafty and made a few mistakes.

Bob D.

>
>Uri
>
>Uri



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