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Subject: Re: List - Ruffian - ?

Author: Andrew Williams

Date: 14:55:47 11/29/03

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On November 29, 2003 at 17:12:11, Jim Bodkins wrote:

>On November 29, 2003 at 15:22:15, Andrew Williams wrote:
>
>>On November 29, 2003 at 12:59:01, Jim Bodkins wrote:
>>
>>>On November 29, 2003 at 12:53:22, Jim Bodkins wrote:
>>>
>>>>On November 29, 2003 at 09:32:07, Andrew Williams wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>On November 29, 2003 at 08:17:31, Palmer wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>I just remembered that some time ago there was a discussion here on CCC if
>>>>>>ruffian is a crafty clone or not.
>>>>>>Here some comments form robert hyatt to that topic:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>...I agree. The real test is in tactics. It is not easy to make a copy of
>>>>>>Crafty either better or worse at tactics, but particularly making it better is
>>>>>>non-trivial. It's far easier to twiddle with a few eval terms to make it
>>>>>>play significantly different...
>>>>>>
>>>>>>...In the case of Ruffian, I'm not sure it is anything at all, other than
>>>>>>a very unlikely happening.
>>>>>>Ruffian could be any of the following, in decreasing order of probability:
>>>>>>1. A copy of a freeware engine with some changes or additions.
>>>>>>2. A copy of a commercial engine, aided by a hex editor to change strings
>>>>>>to disguise what has happened.
>>>>>>3. A copy of a commercial engine, modified, after someone found access to
>>>>>>the un-released source code somehow.
>>>>>>4. A program written by a current commercial (or amateur) author and released
>>>>>>anonymously, for reasons I wouldn't try to guess.
>>>>>>5. A completely new program, developed by a completely new author, sight-
>>>>>>unseen by anybody until very recently.
>>>>>>It _could_ be any of those. I don't have an opinion yet, except that the
>>>>>>above list is written in decreasing probability order....
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>I think that if you're not prepared to give your full, real name (as the rules
>>>>>of CCC require), you don't get to make stupid and venal accusations about
>>>>>people. I believe that you posted your message purely to troll. I believe that
>>>>>you owe Per-Ola Valfridsson an apology. I believe that you are too cowardly and
>>>>>too weak to apologize as you should.
>>>>>
>>>>>Andrew Williams
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>I understood his post. If there is a problem (which I didnt see), let the admins
>>>>handle it. You said "I believe that you are too cowardly and too weak to
>>>>apologize as you should.". The question is, are you?
>>>
>>>My intention isnt to cause trouble, but your response seem extreme. It is
>>>interesting to see this happen a second time and clearly indicates a need for an
>>>alternate or new solution to this issue.
>>
>>A "second" time? What do you mean?
>>
>>Andrew
>
>The last was the accusation that Ruffian was derivative. That was proven to be
>false. Now List. Two times. Unfounded accusations later proven wrong. Almost
>harmed Valfridson (Is that his name) and surely has already harmed Reul. (The
>List case is still unfolding).

I see. That makes two messages I have completely misunderstood.

Andrew




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