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Subject: Re: Official rules of WCCC

Author: Dieter Buerssner

Date: 15:18:09 11/29/03

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On November 29, 2003 at 17:37:02, Gerd Isenberg wrote:

Hi again, Gerd!

>Yes, and the interpretation of the rules implies the opportunity that an
>operator may overrule his program with the risk to loose in agreement with
>opponent operator. In this special case the risk to loose wath rather high.

I quickly read the URL that was posted Jeff Lischer. Is that "opportunity to
overrule the program" inside those rules?

Even, if it is, isn't it a extremely dubious rule? I would not expect anyone to
take advantage of such a rule - but the possibility seems there. If the Jonny
author ignored the output of his program, it seems a very fair and well meant
decison of him. I think, it is very respectable.

>Difficult situation for all parties concerned. At least future rules should
>clearly address and define 3-fold repetition handling. Only in cases where both
>programs disagree, the TD need to be involved, IMHO.

Yes.

Peter Berger pointed out to me the following, which also might be some
interesting reading:

http://www.chess-archive.com/ccc.php?art_id=111226

It is a few years old.

If the games were not played on a real board with a real chess clock, I think it
might be sensible to play any game until end (repetition, 50 moves or mate). One
could point out, that the engines themselves might agree to draw (for example).
Still this would leave a bit of choice of the operator. He may setup his engine
to allow agreement to draw early, when it is convenient for his opponent (which
might be his friend). That issue probably can never be solved. He could also
setup his engine to play weaker.

Playing to the end has also the consequence, that operator skill might in few
cases play a role. All well known CC tournaments played on a real board have a
sudden death time control in the end (no Fischer like increment). So, perhaps
agreeing to a draw can be more in the sense of the tourney, than to do 100 moves
in a dead draw position, until one side will lose on time.

Cheers,
Dieter



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