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Subject: Re: Shredder was clearly the best engine in WCC, BUT ...................

Author: James T. Walker

Date: 05:43:14 11/30/03

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On November 30, 2003 at 06:43:16, Jorge Pichard wrote:

>On November 30, 2003 at 06:40:37, swaminathan natarajan wrote:
>
>>what bug?
>>
>>illegal move bug?
>
>The only thing that a program can NOT do is grab the arbiter by his hands and
>claim the draw :-)
>
>In its decision the ICGA confirms that the Jonny program had announced its move
>and stated on the screen “info” and “dreifache Stellungswiederholung”
>(“information” and “threefold repetition of position”). But, said Jaap van den
>Herik, this is different from "announcing its intention of making the move and
>displaying wording to the effect that it was claiming a draw," as the FIDE rules
>would requrie. The "Info" display only meant that the program was supplying
>status information, not claiming a draw.
>
>Of course computers have always announced threefold repetitions in a Windows
>alert box, we know of none that goes to the arbiter (or instructs its operator
>to do this in its stead) to formally claim the draw. Were all previous claims by
>computer programs illegitimate?

Seems to me if you want to get "technical" then the program must be "programmed"
to "Claim a draw" which takes it out of the operators hands.    At that point
the program should shut down and refuse to play further.  Simply stating that a
3-fold repetition has taken place is only notifying the operator that it is
possible to claim a draw if the operator wishes.  Of course programs would have
to really understand when it is possible to claim a draw by the rules as some
now clearly do not.  In human tournaments it is not mandatory for one to claim a
draw simply because it is possible.
Jim



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