Author: Bob Durrett
Date: 08:11:50 11/30/03
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On November 30, 2003 at 11:05:48, George Sobala wrote: >On November 30, 2003 at 11:02:44, Bob Durrett wrote: > >>On November 30, 2003 at 10:54:08, George Sobala wrote: >> >>>On November 30, 2003 at 10:44:27, Geoff wrote: >>> >>>>Hi >>>> >>>>Could someone explain what exactly happened in the WCCC playoff regarding the >>>>draw bug issue, it is difficult to infer from the subsequent discussions ? >>>>Thanks >>>> >>>> Geoff >>> >>>The controversy was in the last-but-final round when Shredder, in a winning >>>position against Jonny, played a threefold repetition, which Jonny's operator >>>did not claim as a draw according to the WCCC rules. (We need CCTV footage and >>>screendumps of this bit to really know what happened here.) Shredder then went >>>on to win the game, tied with Fritz in first place and forced a play-off. The >>>first play-off game was drawn, Shredder won the second. >>> >>>The controversy is over the aspect of the rules concerning draw-claiming in >>>repeated positions. >>> >>>IMHO Shredder WAS winning, and IS the moral champion. Others, perhaps with their >>>own agenda, feel otherwise. >> >>That is amusing. : ) >> >>How many times have I been "winning" when I made a blunder and lost? >> >>How many times has my game ended in stalemate when I was "winning" but >>overlooked the stalemate possibility? >> >>How many times has a win slipped through my hands because my opponent claimed >>the draw by threefold repetition of the position? >> >>The answers to all of these questions is: "Too many!" >> >>If Shredder allowed the threefold repetition of the position then it should not >>be given the win IMHO. This is supposed to be a competition between computers. >>Obviously, the tournament rules are defective and need a lot of improvement! >> >>Bob D. > >How many times have you made a losing blunder, which your opponent missed, and >you went on to win anyway? Did you give him the point because he deserved to >win? If the draw had been claimed properly then fine, I would have no problem >with Shredder not winning the championship. It wasn't. So it goes. Actually, I agree with you that the hands of the programmers should be slapped. Why would an engine not be programmed to DEMAND the draw automatically? That was a major oversight on the part of a programmer. In that sense, the Fritz program had a bug in it too. It is a "bug versus bug" situation. : ) In the final analysis, this is NOT a competition between machines. Instead, it is a competition between programmers. Bob D.
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