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Subject: Re: Why's ?

Author: Drexel,Michael

Date: 08:17:45 11/30/03

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On November 30, 2003 at 10:51:11, Uri Blass wrote:

>On November 30, 2003 at 10:36:54, Drexel,Michael wrote:
>
>>On November 30, 2003 at 10:20:12, Thomas Logan wrote:
>>
>>>Why did Jonny move after the threefold repetition ?
>>>
>>>Why did the gui allow it ?
>>>
>>>If Jonny moved wasn't it then the engine and
>>>
>>>not the operator or the gui which is responsible
>>>
>>>for the lose ?
>>
>>Of course not.
>>
>>The Chessbase GUI is responsible for 3-fold repetition draws.
>>You get a message box, and if you click OK you are always allowed to play on.
>>This applies to all Chessbase-native engines Fritz,Shredder,Hiarcs...
>>
>>Fritz engine itself does not even know about 3-fold repetition draws.
>>For Fritz engines there is no difference whatsoever between 1,2 or 3-fold
>>repetition.
>>
>>The operator was clearly responsible for the loss.
>>
>>Michael
>
>I think that both operartors are quilty.

I'm not sure.
It was black's turn. There was never a 3-fold repetition with white to move in
that game. The positions after 33.Rg4 and 35.Rg4+,37.Rg4+ are of course
different.

>
>The operator of shredder also is not allowed to continue when there is a 3 fold
>repetition and he should stop the game.

Has SMK done something wrong? His engine was not aware of the repetition.
So it was only logical to play on from Shredders point of view.

Michael

>
>
>I think that it may be better for the future not to allow 2 entries from the
>same country in WCCC
>
>both programs were from germany and having more than one program from the same
>country means that the weaker engine may lose on purpose against the stronger
>engine(there are simple ways to do it like preparing a book line when A beats
>B).

>
>In case that Junior and Falcon and maybe movei ask in the future to participate
>there should be a tournament to decide which program of them participate and the
>same for other countries(of course I do not support the idea if it is only for
>one country).
>
>Uri



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