Author: James T. Walker
Date: 08:23:18 11/30/03
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On November 30, 2003 at 11:01:38, Uri Blass wrote: >On November 30, 2003 at 10:51:11, Uri Blass wrote: > >>On November 30, 2003 at 10:36:54, Drexel,Michael wrote: >> >>>On November 30, 2003 at 10:20:12, Thomas Logan wrote: >>> >>>>Why did Jonny move after the threefold repetition ? >>>> >>>>Why did the gui allow it ? >>>> >>>>If Jonny moved wasn't it then the engine and >>>> >>>>not the operator or the gui which is responsible >>>> >>>>for the lose ? >>> >>>Of course not. >>> >>>The Chessbase GUI is responsible for 3-fold repetition draws. >>>You get a message box, and if you click OK you are always allowed to play on. >>>This applies to all Chessbase-native engines Fritz,Shredder,Hiarcs... >>> >>>Fritz engine itself does not even know about 3-fold repetition draws. >>>For Fritz engines there is no difference whatsoever between 1,2 or 3-fold >>>repetition. >>> >>>The operator was clearly responsible for the loss. >>> >>>Michael >> >>I think that both operartors are quilty. >> >>The operator of shredder also is not allowed to continue when there is a 3 fold >>repetition and he should stop the game. ************* ????? Is that in the rules? It's not in the rules for humans. There is no "requirement" for humans to claim a draw after 3 fold repetition. In fact the rules say that if you do not claim the draw before executing a move on the board you lose the right to claim a draw untill the same position appears with identical circumstances later. Shredder had no reason to claim a draw even if the position had occured 3 times since it considered itself winning. *************** >> >> >>I think that it may be better for the future not to allow 2 entries from the >>same country in WCCC >> >>both programs were from germany and having more than one program from the same >>country means that the weaker engine may lose on purpose against the stronger >>engine(there are simple ways to do it like preparing a book line when A beats >>B). >> >>In case that Junior and Falcon and maybe movei ask in the future to participate >>there should be a tournament to decide which program of them participate and the >>same for other countries(of course I do not support the idea if it is only for >>one country). >> >>Uri > >Note that I never plan to lose game on purpose against a stronger program and I >guess the same for other programmers from Israel but after what happened between >programmers from germany I do not see a good solution except not allowing more >than one program for every country because losing on purpose is not bound to the >stupid way that was done in the last game of WCCC when everybody knows it. > >Uri
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