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Subject: Fritz endgame blunder

Author: Slater Wold

Date: 10:40:57 11/30/03


I posted earlier, that in the following position Fritz blundered with Rg3?

[D]6r1/4kp2/3p1bp1/q2BpP2/2P5/1P5R/1PQ3K1/8 w - - 0 73

Someone followed up, saying Rg3 Rc8 Bb7! was correct, so Qd1 was the blunder.  I
don't think I agree, and Crafty 19.6 with a whole bunch of time doesn't either.
fxg6 is an *easy* draw.

                6     0.10  -0.75   1. Rh7 gxf5+ 2. Kf2 Qb6+ 3. c5 Qxc5+
                                    4. Qxc5 dxc5 5. Rxf7+ Kd6 6. Rd7+ Kxd7
                                    7. Bxg8
                6     0.19  -0.29   1. Rg3 Rc8 2. Qd3 gxf5 3. Qxf5 Qd2+
                                    4. Qf2 Qxf2+ 5. Kxf2 Re8
                6->   0.21  -0.29   1. Rg3 Rc8 2. Qd3 gxf5 3. Qxf5 Qd2+
                                    4. Qf2 Qxf2+ 5. Kxf2 Re8 (s=3)
                7     0.28  -0.05   1. Rg3 g5 2. Qe2 Qb4 3. Re3 g4 4. Kg3
                                    (s=2)
                7->   0.33  -0.05   1. Rg3 g5 2. Qe2 Qb4 3. Re3 g4 4. Kg3
                8     0.43  -0.11   1. Rg3 g5 2. Qe2 Qb4 3. Re3 Rg7 4.
                                    Kg1 g4
                8->   0.55  -0.11   1. Rg3 g5 2. Qe2 Qb4 3. Re3 Rg7 4.
                                    Kg1 g4 (s=2)
                9     0.88  -0.04   1. Rg3 g5 2. b4 Qb6 3. Qd2 Qd4 4. Qxd4
                                    exd4 5. Rd3 g4
                9->   1.32  -0.04   1. Rg3 g5 2. b4 Qb6 3. Qd2 Qd4 4. Qxd4
                                    exd4 5. Rd3 g4 (s=2)
               10     2.27  -0.14   1. Rg3 g5 2. Qe2 Qb4 3. Re3 Rg7 4.
                                    Kg1 g4 5. Rg3 Kd7 6. Rxg4 Rxg4+ 7.
                                    Qxg4 Qxb3
               10->   3.43  -0.14   1. Rg3 g5 2. Qe2 Qb4 3. Re3 Rg7 4.
                                    Kg1 g4 5. Rg3 Kd7 6. Rxg4 Rxg4+ 7.
                                    Qxg4 Qxb3 (s=2)
               11     7.72  -0.08   1. Rg3 Rc8 2. Bb7 Rh8 3. fxg6 Qe1 4.
                                    g7 Rg8 5. Qh7 Qxg3+ 6. Kxg3 Rxg7+ 7.
                                    Qxg7 Bxg7
               11->  15.27  -0.08   1. Rg3 Rc8 2. Bb7 Rh8 3. fxg6 Qe1 4.
                                    g7 Rg8 5. Qh7 Qxg3+ 6. Kxg3 Rxg7+ 7.
                                    Qxg7 Bxg7 (s=3)
               12    19.50  -0.41   1. Rg3 Rc8 2. Bb7 Rh8 3. fxg6 Qe1 4.
                                    Rh3 Rxh3 5. Kxh3 Qe3+ 6. Kg2 fxg6 7.
                                    Be4 g5 (s=2)
               12->   1:03  -0.41   1. Rg3 Rc8 2. Bb7 Rh8 3. fxg6 Qe1 4.
                                    Rh3 Rxh3 5. Kxh3 Qe3+ 6. Kg2 fxg6 7.
                                    Be4 g5 (s=5)
               13     1:22  -0.45   1. Rg3 Rc8 2. Be4 gxf5 3. Bxf5 Rh8
                                    4. Qe2 Kd8 5. Rd3 Kc7 6. Rd5 Qb4 7.
                                    Qd2 Qxd2+ 8. Rxd2 Bh4 (s=4)
               13->   2:19  -0.45   1. Rg3 Rc8 2. Be4 gxf5 3. Bxf5 Rh8
                                    4. Qe2 Kd8 5. Rd3 Kc7 6. Rd5 Qb4 7.
                                    Qd2 Qxd2+ 8. Rxd2 Bh4 (s=3)
               14     3:45  -0.28   1. Rg3 Rc8 2. Bb7 Rb8 3. fxg6 Rxb7
                                    4. g7 Bxg7 5. Rxg7 Qb4 6. Rg3 Rb8 7.
                                    Qd3 Qb7+ 8. Kf2 Re8 (s=2)
               14->   4:53  -0.28   1. Rg3 Rc8 2. Bb7 Rb8 3. fxg6 Rxb7
                                    4. g7 Bxg7 5. Rxg7 Qb4 6. Rg3 Rb8 7.
                                    Qd3 Qb7+ 8. Kf2 Re8
               15     6:04  -0.45   1. Rg3 Rc8 2. Bb7 Rb8 3. fxg6 Rxb7
                                    4. g7 Bxg7 5. Rxg7 Qb4 6. Rg3 Qe1 7.
                                    Qd3 Qc1 8. Qe2 f5
               15->  11:45  -0.45   1. Rg3 Rc8 2. Bb7 Rb8 3. fxg6 Rxb7
                                    4. g7 Bxg7 5. Rxg7 Qb4 6. Rg3 Qe1 7.
                                    Qd3 Qc1 8. Qe2 f5 (s=5)
               16    15:14  -0.30   1. Rg3 Rc8 2. Bb7 Rb8 3. fxg6 Rxb7
                                    4. g7 Bxg7 5. Rxg7 Qb4 6. Rg3 Ra7 7.
                                    Rg7 Ra2 8. Kf3 <HT> (s=4)
               16->  24:12  -0.30   1. Rg3 Rc8 2. Bb7 Rb8 3. fxg6 Rxb7
                                    4. g7 Bxg7 5. Rxg7 Qb4 6. Rg3 Ra7 7.
                                    Rg7 Ra2 8. Kf3 <HT> (s=4)
               17    39:17  -0.55   1. Rg3 Rc8 2. Bb7 Rb8 3. fxg6 Rxb7
                                    4. g7 Bxg7 5. Rxg7 Qb4 6. Rg3 Rb8 7.
                                    Qd3 Ra8 8. Rg7 Ra2 9. Qc2 Ke6 (s=3)
               17   137:09  -0.21   1. fxg6 Rxg6+ 2. Rg3 Rxg3+ 3. Kxg3
                                    Qe1+ 4. Kg2 Bg5 5. Qf5 Qe2+ 6. Kg3
                                    Bf4+ 7. Kh4 Qf2+ 8. Kh5 Qh2+ 9. Kg4
                                    Qg1+ 10. Kh5 Qg7 11. b4 Qh8+ 12. Kg4
                                    Qg8+ 13. Kh5 Qg7 14. b5 Be3
               17-> 156:29  -0.21   1. fxg6 Rxg6+ 2. Rg3 Rxg3+ 3. Kxg3
                                    Qe1+ 4. Kg2 Bg5 5. Qf5 Qe2+ 6. Kg3
                                    Bf4+ 7. Kh4 Qf2+ 8. Kh5 Qh2+ 9. Kg4
                                    Qg1+ 10. Kh5 Qg7 11. b4 Qh8+ 12. Kg4
                                    Qg8+ 13. Kh5 Qg7 14. b5 Be3
               18   183:28  -0.15   1. fxg6 Rxg6+ 2. Rg3 Rxg3+ 3. Kxg3
                                    Qe1+ 4. Kg2 Bg5 5. Qf5 Qe2+ 6. Kg3
                                    Bf6 7. Qh7 <HT>
               18-> 308:07  -0.15   1. fxg6 Rxg6+ 2. Rg3 Rxg3+ 3. Kxg3
                                    Qe1+ 4. Kg2 Bg5 5. Qf5 Qe2+ 6. Kg3
                                    Bf6 7. Qh7 Qe1+ <HT> (s=6)
              time=360:00  cpu=199%  mat=0  n=28954780325  fh=90%  nps=1340k
              ext-> chk=-1837317311 cap=62576292 pp=17515987 1rep=165607790 mate
=6239465
              predicted=0  nodes=28954780325  evals=3687863267
              endgame tablebase-> probes=19683  hits=587
              SMP->  split=10307  stop=2452  data=12/4096  cpu=718:58  elap=360:
00


Looking at Rg3 Rc8 Bb7! deeper, it does appear to be a draw also, but has a
*lot* of losing possibilities.  Qb1 *was* the real loser here.

Can *anyone* get another engine to even look at Qb1 here?  I couldn't.

[D]2r5/4kp2/3p1bp1/q2BpP2/2P5/1P4R1/1PQ3K1/8 w - -



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