Author: Sandro Necchi
Date: 11:12:08 11/30/03
Go up one level in this thread
On November 30, 2003 at 13:51:56, Thorsten Czub wrote: >On November 30, 2003 at 13:30:56, Sandro Necchi wrote: > >>I was attacked in a very unfair and not sportive way and I had to defend myself. > > >? > >When Mchess plays 38 moves out of book while hiarcs was out of book in move 23 >and the score is -4.89 in move 38 i do not call this book preparation. > >This is the usage of auto232 games , inserting them into a book and by this >method getting some more points in sweden. Is this not allowed. If not is not against the rules. So it is no sense to discuss this further. All programs had some lines against other programs, so the situation was about equal. > > >>I never criticized other programmers or book makers, why the others do not the >>same? > >it is not unfair to discuss the sense of those kind of pre-outplayed games. >if i would be a programmer and my program would run into such a pre-arranged >game, i would be unhappy too. Well, you can be unhappy, but cannot attack someone on something which is allowed. > >>Yes, but some people like to criticize too much and try to change things on >>purpose. I do not like that. > >I do critisize when i see tht somebody is doing a mistake. or is behaving >against the law or the rules, or is doing a mistake by wrong ethics. We are not responsable of what happened. We did accept the TD decision as we always did. Why should be criticized? > >>Hiarcs is a very strong program and play in a human like style, so it is >>possible that I have expected those move considering the variation. Well, if you >>change the hardware the moves will not be the same anymore, so it may be >>different. > >right. but this was the hardware in those days. I had quite faster hardware those days, so it may come out by case, however who cares now? > > >sandro, i have nothing against shredder. IMO shredder was the strongest program >in the tournament. >but it got the title based on a wrong decision. Even if the decision would have been wrong it was not our fault. However who was there said the decision was correct. Why have we to be criticized for something we have not done and if we have won the tournament in a clear way on the board regardless the weaker hardware? Don't you think this is unfair? >and this is not good for nobody. > >BTW: i don't think that shredder7.04 is the best engine in the moment, >i think hiarcs9 is stronger (you only have to change 2 switches). > >we will see how or if the next shredder can change this. Well, what I or you think on this matter is not important. The SSDF list is the one that speaks. Those are results and not opinions. I like Hiarcs 9 and I do agree it is quite strong. I know the programmer too and I know he is quite good. I also would like to compliment all the partecipants to the tournament and the organization. I think it was very well organized and people could see the games live. I also believe the new Fritz is stronger than the commercial version! Thanks to all which congratulate to our win. I would like to talk about chess and chess games only. I apology if I reply to this post, but I "hate" unfair things and playing around the facts in one way or another. I understand that sometimes this may happen because there are not correct info behind these things, but to criticize us after the so many beautiful games we played I think is unfair and we do not deserve it. Sandro
This page took 0 seconds to execute
Last modified: Thu, 15 Apr 21 08:11:13 -0700
Current Computer Chess Club Forums at Talkchess. This site by Sean Mintz.