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Subject: Re: NO Congrats to Stefan Meyer-Kahlen

Author: Matthew Hull

Date: 12:45:51 11/30/03

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On November 30, 2003 at 15:34:45, martin fierz wrote:

>On November 30, 2003 at 08:28:22, Matthew Hull wrote:
>
>
>>It matters not that the engine could not detect a 3-fold, it is a draw according
>>to the rules of chess, just like the 50-move rule or checkmate.  Also, an
>>operator is not allowed to force his engine to take a lower result.  That's
>>throwing the game and thus illegal, unethical, and cheating all at the same
>>time.  The TDs allowed it thus nullifying the result of the tournament.
>>
>>MH
>
>why "NO congrats"?
>
>shredder played on weaker hardware than fritz, and still beat it in the playoff.
>ok, there is a bad TD decision involved, that is true.
>
>but i certainly would say "congrats to SMK" - not for the title, but for writing
>a program that played the best chess in graz, even on inferior hardware. i
>haven't bought any chess programs since fritz 7, but i will get the new
>shredder!
>
>SMK has little to do with this - if you want to bash somebody, try the
>tournament director...
>
>cheers
>  martin
>
>PS: would it have been legal for jonny's operator to resign for his engine when
>shredder was showing +10, and his engine probably showed a huge minus score?


That is entirely beside the point.  In this circumstance, the opposing software
obtained a draw, and said as much in the game.  To then accept a win as a gift
from the opposing operator is bad, wrong and unethical to say the least.  It is
a disgrace.

Why then the congratulations?

MH



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