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Subject: Re: A fix for the clone detection problem

Author: Uri Blass

Date: 01:09:14 12/01/03

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On December 01, 2003 at 03:42:28, Roberto Nerici wrote:

>On December 01, 2003 at 03:25:47, Russell Reagan wrote:
>
>>On December 01, 2003 at 02:46:49, Hristo wrote:
>>
>>>What is the question:
>>>Is this program an original work?
>>
>>In my opinion, that should not be the question. I think the goal is to prevent
>>someone from stealing someone else's expression of their ideas and claiming them
>>as their own, not to make absolutely sure that not a single line of code was
>>borrowed from another program.
>
>[snip]
>
>>So basically I think what is important is that someone doesn't just take Crafty
>>and make a few changes (like changing the name) and then calling it their own
>>program and enter tournaments. The idea of using test positions and comparing
>>the results should be good enough to detect those weak attempts at cheating. If
>>someone modifies it enough so that it plays different moves most of the time (as
>>often as any other program), then they have probably done some significant work,
>>and we can give them the benefit of the doubt. Maybe that isn't the best
>>theoretical solution, but in reality it is probably a very good solution since
>>it doesn't border on paranoia and is not invasive to the programmers.
>
>It is a difficult area and I don't think there is going to be a really good
>solution. I agree that Steven's suggestion could detect the case where someone
>takes Crafty and changes just the name, but I disagree that that is useful.

It is useful(I do not know how much it is useful in world championship but it is
useful in WBEC when people do exactly that or almost exactly that).

Cases that I remember at this moment

Luiza=Faile
OldBlindDog=Arasan
Deep9=Pepito
Syboney=pepito with different evaluation.

I am not sure about spelling syboney but clone does not deserve correct spelling

I suspect that the number of cases that people did not find out is even bigger.

Uri



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