Author: Tony Werten
Date: 06:46:51 12/01/03
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On December 01, 2003 at 08:40:03, Albert Silver wrote: >On December 01, 2003 at 04:29:29, Tony Werten wrote: > >>On December 01, 2003 at 04:18:00, Francesco Di Tolla wrote: >> >>>As far as I understand Jonny did not claim draw at all. >>>Not because the program did not ask for it while the interface did, but becasue >>>both the prorgam and interface NEVER did a draw claim. >>> >>>The interface showed a pop-up claiming "3 fold repetition" and this is NOT a >>>draw claim. >>> >>>The operator is supposed to claim draws on behalf of the program when the >>>program actually does ask for a draw, >> >>How ? Maybe by showing a pop-up claiming "3 fold repetition" ? If that isn't >>asking then what is ? > >The issue of the origin of the draw claim is not inimportant in my opinion. It >was stated that the engine cannot recognize draws by repetition itself, and that >the pop-up originated from the GUI. If so, the pop-up would not be acceptable to >me if I were the arbiter and aware of these two facts. Furthermore the GUI >didn't 'claim' a draw but merely stated a 3-fold repetition had taken place, >which though a fine line, is also a distinct one IMO. The official statement was that the engine gave a 0.00 score. That in combination with the gui rerporting 3 fold repetition should be enough. If it isn't then nothing will. Tony > > Albert > >> >>Tony >> >> >>>not when he thinks the result is the best >>>for the engine or so. >>> >>>Actually if we strictly follow FIDE rules the operator can ask a draw for 3-fold >>>repetition only if the engine does the explicit claim >>> >>>"3.3 Only if the computer itself so instructs him may the operator offer a draw, >>>or claim a draw by repetition." >>> >>>source: >>>http://www.fide.com/official/handbook.asp?level=EE3 >>> >>>so the operator was not even allowed to ask for a draw for repetition. >>> >>>This is a serious Fritz GUI bug. >>> >>> >>>I agree that an engine cannot call the referee and ask for the draw but it can >>>state something like "the engine asks the draw" and this would be a regular way >>>to notify to the operator that the engine is asking for the draw. >>> >>>Imagine the opposite scenario: >>>a prorgam with no Chessbase gui does not detect the 3-fold repetition, Shredder >>>in CB gui does and the GUI announces 3-fold repetition. Should the operator of >>>shredder ask for the draw or go for the best for the engine and continue? >>> >>>Clearly the operator could say the engine and the GUI have not asked for a draw. >>> >>>Who could claim the oppposite? >>> >>>regards >>>Franz
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