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Subject: Re: Isn't it an easy case?

Author: Robert Hyatt

Date: 07:20:55 12/01/03

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On December 01, 2003 at 09:15:59, Gabor Szots wrote:

>On December 01, 2003 at 08:55:59, Drexel,Michael wrote:
>
>>On December 01, 2003 at 08:01:28, Gabor Szots wrote:
>>
>>>If an engine is unable to claim draw on repetition, then it is not a draw if the
>>>opponent plays on. Not a draw even if the same position repeats 10 times.
>>>If the GUI claims the draw, it is as if a spectator would have claimed it,
>>>therefore invalid.
>>
>>According to this nearly all computer-computer games that ended in a draw by
>>repetition are invalid.
>
>Not if the claim was made by the engine itself, and it was a correct claim.

the engine can't make a claim.  It goes through the GUI to display stuff.


>
>>
>>All chessbase native engines are of course not able to claim a draw correctly
>>since it is the job of the GUI.
>
>That's their own business. They start with a handicap in a tournament
>deliberately.
>
>>
>>SSDF ratinglist is invalid too since many games ended by a 3-fold repetition
>>draw claim of the GUI.
>
>In this case I would accept what the GUI says because these games are only
>played for statistical reasons, so an error margin is acceptable.
>
>>
>>The simple solution is to declare all games with a 3-fold repetition draw.
>>Who cares about the FIDE rules? This is computer chess.
>
>That is of course true. No one said computers must have the same rules as
>humans. Still I believe it is better to follow the FIDE rules in this particular
>case.
>
>>
>>Michael
>>
>>
>>>
>>>It seems to me that Jonny did not recognize draw because it accepted Shredder's
>>>next move. In this case Shredder was EXTREMELY LUCKY, but nothing illegal or
>>>unethical happened.
>>
>>>
>>>I think it is unimportant that the GUI claimed the draw only when the position
>>>had in fact repeated 3 times. In a human tournament, if I make my move, STOP THE
>>>CLOCK, and call the arbiter, my draw claim is still valid. But without the claim
>>>of the player himself, NOT EVEN THE ARBITER has to right to declare a draw. This
>>>is what saved Shredder. An unlucky blow for the Fritz team.
>>>
>>>Gábor



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