Author: Bob Durrett
Date: 08:41:56 12/01/03
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On December 01, 2003 at 11:30:54, Robert Hyatt wrote: >On December 01, 2003 at 11:23:09, Bob Durrett wrote: > >>On December 01, 2003 at 11:00:16, Sven Reichard wrote: >> >>>On December 01, 2003 at 10:17:16, Robert Hyatt wrote: >>>> >>>>The operator made the decision to play on. But the operator is _not_ allowed >>>>to make _any_ decisions while a game is in progress, as per the rules. >>>>Therefore this reasoning simply is unsound because it is based on rules that >>>>were not in effect. The operator is passive. He _always_ has been passive, >>>>at least when we go by the rules in force for these events. >>>> >>> >>>If he is always passive, I don't see the point of having an operator. Most >>>programs run on all-purpose hardware (maybe enhanced by some additional >>>circuits) with networking capabilities. Why not have the opponents communicate >>>directly, using a standard interface like xboard or UCI, maybe relayed via an >>>arbiter program? Then they can decide for themselves whether to offer or claim a >>>draw. >>> >>>If the GUI makes decisions for the engine, the combination GUI/engine should be >>>considered the competitor. >>> >>>Sven. >> >>My understand is that the operator is there for a good reason similar to why a >>wise tournament director must be there. Chess computer tournaments are still >>evolving and humans need to be there to correct for errors or oversights of the >>programmers. > >Crafty has played over 1 million games on chess servers with no problems. We >want the operators there in case there is a network issue that causes a >disconnect, or a hardware problem that might require a reboot (very rare), and >to discuss things with other programmers. We don't need operators to handle >normal "problems" as they simply don't happen. Please forgive me for saying this, but: "In all due respect, playing your engine on a chess server is simply not the same thing as playing in a chess computer tournament. You might use similar technology but there are significant differences in the two situations." Bob D. > >> When the available rule set fails to properly cover a new >>situation, humans must get involved. Hopefully, their actions will be >>reasonable. [Throwing a draw away would not be reasonable.] >> >>Bob D.
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