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Subject: Re: The Shredder-Jonny draw...

Author: Robert Hyatt

Date: 13:46:13 12/01/03

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On November 30, 2003 at 15:09:45, Terry McCracken wrote:

>On November 30, 2003 at 14:21:32, Slater Wold wrote:
>
>>On November 30, 2003 at 14:15:11, Roger D Davis wrote:
>>
>>>On November 30, 2003 at 14:10:45, Slater Wold wrote:
>>>
>>>>Is not so suspect...
>>>>
>>>>Johannes Zwanzger said that Shredder was clearly won, and that he did not want
>>>>to 'steal the victory' from Shredder because of a stupid bug.  THAT is why he
>>>>did not get a TD, and kept playing.  It was Johannes Zwanzger's choice, and no
>>>>one else.
>>>>
>>>>Shredder won.  Period.
>>>
>>>I think it depends on whether you believe programs should be allowed to blunder,
>>>and whether operators should be completely passive, or whether they should be
>>>allowed to use their own judgment to change the outcome. My own preference is to
>>>eliminate the human operator as a variable, however noble his intentions.
>>>Otherwise you end up with results that seem chivalrous at one level, but have
>>>absurd consequences at the level of the entire tournament. Plus, human variables
>>>should be eliminated because it's intended to be engine versus engine.
>>>
>>>Roger
>>
>>Had the game actually been drawn, and Johannes Zwanzger lost the game because he
>>didn't want Shredder to lose to a 'rookie', I would think it was bogus.  But it
>>was a won position, and it was a bug in Shredder.  Hell, Shredder was showing
>>something like +10 on the screen for itself...most people wouldn't have even
>>played on at that point.
>
>That's a good point you brought up Slater, no why did they continue? Odd indeed.
>
>Terry


because, when dealing with computers "Sh** happens".  I would add "all the
time."

When was the last time you saw a program blow a +8 score into a draw because
it simply overlooked an incredibly deep repetition?  I've seen it happen.  And
it wasn't a bug, it was just a tough repetition to see.  I don't see a problem
with playing every game to mate.  Computers rarely get tired.  At least mine
don't.  ;)



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