Author: Mike Byrne
Date: 17:29:41 12/01/03
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On December 01, 2003 at 20:02:07, Pham Hong Nguyen wrote:
>On December 01, 2003 at 19:35:15, Mike Byrne wrote:
>
>>You have 3 years to work on this:
>>
>>1. Improve the computer source challenge - challenges should be me made prior
>>to or after the tournament, but not during. If a challenge is made after the
>>tournament, then all of the disqualified contestant games should be stricken
>>from the official record as if they were never played. All contestants should
>>be advised of the dates that they must provide source prior to/ or after the
>>tournament so they can plan accordingly. There should be also a procedure to
>>ensure that the source provided is the one actually used by the contestants.
>>I'm sure something could be worked out.
>
>That is good.
>
>>
>>Alternatively, the all sources could be reviewed prior to the tournament by the
>>experts who have signed non-disclosure agreements and why not - if Fritz Ruel
>>has to provide his code - make everyone provide their code for inspection. I
>>seriously doubt that would pass.
>
>
>- Do you think top programmers agree to show their codes? I doubt that.
^^^
Bingo! That is my point - there is a perceived difference in how the top
programs are treated and how the others are treated. You using the word "top"
shows exactly what I mean. So they have to get something in place that all
programmers would follow - even the "top". And obviously we want the top
programs there - we want the best for the WCCC.
>Obviously they don't want anyone to look in (and may learn) their ideas or blame
>any thing, specially if their codes content few pieces of open source codes,
>e.g., a random function. I think they may boycott the tournament and create
>their own ones instead. Other idea is to invite them without requirement of
>showing codes, but that is not fair with others.
>
>- Suppose one new program says to public that it is a clone of Crafty. Thus, the
>requirement of reviewing this code becomes funny (what do you want to see?).
>
Clones are not allowed - a simple admission of a program being a clone is
grounds for disqualification. No reveiw is necessary.
>
>>
>>2. Something has to be done about the draw rule - that game should have never
>>been allowed to continue. For 30 years, the correct rules were followed - this
>>year it was not - that is a disgrace.
>>
>>Other than that, it was a great tournament [cough, cough].
>>
>>Seriously, whatever goodwill that the tournament generated was torpedo by these
>>two events that were mishandled. That is a shame.
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