Author: Dann Corbit
Date: 19:10:40 12/01/03
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On December 01, 2003 at 22:02:55, Uri Blass wrote: >On December 01, 2003 at 21:21:17, Uri Blass wrote: > >>On December 01, 2003 at 20:05:43, Thomas Mayer wrote: >> >>>Hi Mike, >>> >>>two statements: To me the shown evidence about List was suspicious enough to ask >>>the author about clarification. He refused. So what would you do, knowing the >>>rules ? >> >>I think that List should not be allowed to play in the first place because the >>author was not present. >> >>After the first mistake of having it in the tournament the only logical choice >>is to let it to play until the end of the tournament and to decide about >>punishment for future tournaments only after the tournament. >> >>I think that the action that was done was punishment mainly for other >>programmers who got technical win and came to play because it seems that the >>Fritz Reul does not care much about participating. >> >>I do not know the evidence that you saw but I read that it was about public >>versions of List so can you explain what is the evidence that make you suspect >>that List4.60 or List5.04 have significant parts of Crafty when Dann Corbit >>already said in CCC that he saw code of List and it is not similiar to Ctafty? >> >>>second: I would not send at any point my source to the ICGA - but also at any >>>point during the tournament I would agree to show parts of my source if they get >>>suspicious in some way about it. But they would never leave my harddisk. The >>>only person that has insight in my Code is Dann Corbit - simply I trust him >>>fully. >> >>Why? >> >>Dann has a private chess program based on his words so he is a potential >>competitor so why do you trust him to give you your source code? >> >>I think that one of the thing that is needed from a person that you trust is >>that you know that he will never release a chess program without your agreement >>and I never heard Dann promise never to release a chess program. >> >>He even said that he may release it in case that it is going to be significantly >>better than the commercial programs. >> >>I find it surprising that also the programmer of List trusted Dann to give him >>his source code. >> >>Uri > >I can add that it is not something personal against Dann. > >I also showed him some source code of my move generator but it was at a time >that I had only a move generator and not a chess program and I also showed >source code to some other programmers in order to get some fidback(I showed >later also source code of my move generator to bruce moreland who gave me some >good advices that helped me to improve the speed of the move genrator) > >I only say that a necessary condition to show my source code to somebody is one >of the following: > >1)I trust the second person never to use it against me and it includes never to >release his(her) chess program. > >2)It is some cooperation with another programmer in order to build a better >chess program. I think that logically this means you can never release your source to anyone, unless it is a cooperation to build a better chess engine. Because even if a person has no intention to ever release a chess program, the intentions may change five years in the future. Your item 1) means you can not show your source. Probably, I think you cannot write a paper about it either. In fact, an article is often a better way to quickly collect the ideas than reading someone's source code.
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