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Subject: Re: CCT6 2004: Now 25 Participants

Author: Robert Hyatt

Date: 07:00:04 12/02/03

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On December 02, 2003 at 07:52:16, enrico carrisco wrote:

>On December 01, 2003 at 13:38:57, Robert Hyatt wrote:
>
>>On December 01, 2003 at 13:35:22, Chessfun wrote:
>>
>>>On December 01, 2003 at 13:32:35, Robert Hyatt wrote:
>>>
>>>>On December 01, 2003 at 13:02:18, Chessfun wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>On December 01, 2003 at 11:25:52, Bob Durrett wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>On December 01, 2003 at 11:07:47, Volker Richey wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Hi,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>News: Hossa join CCT6
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>more informations under http://www.vrichey.de/cct6
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>volker
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Where are the front-runner commercial programs?  Will they just join later?  Or,
>>>>>>what?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Bob D.
>>>>>
>>>>>Most don't kibitz as required every move. That leaves out all ChesPartner
>>>>>engines and Chessbase engines.
>>>>
>>>>That isn't true.  IE Crafty is a chessbase engine and it kibitzes just
>>>>as it is supposed to.  The programmers can do this if they _want_.  It
>>>>took me all of an hour to add this, and I originally had to add the ability
>>>>to send kibitzes to xboard as well.
>>>
>>>
>>>I answered specifically his question. "Where are the front-runner commercial
>>>programs?  Will they just join later?"
>>>
>>>Crafty to my knowledge is not commercial and is already included.
>>>
>>>Sarah.
>>>
>>Yes, but the point is not that they "can't" kibitz just because they are
>>chess base programs,  They "won't" kibitz.  There is a difference.  This
>>has been the same mentality that has prevented operatorless tournaments
>>with automatic interfaces.  "We don't have an automatic interface, we are
>>commercial, do you want to have an event without us?"
>>
>>CCT has said "yes".  After a while, they will decide it is to their advantage
>>to compete there, and kibitzing will happen.  How long did it take them to get
>>something that would let them play on a chess server?  :)  More importantly,
>>_why_ did they do it?  answer:  marketing pressure.  User demands.
>>
>
>I've explained this about a million and two times.  The Chessbase GUI does not
>and cannot connect directly to ICC.  It is impossible to kibitz moves for a
>chessbase native engine unless another GUI is used (which then, would make it
>UCI or winboard.)  An hour of work my ass.

Does not chessbase support the winboard protocol?  Do they not have a
winboard adapter?

QED.

They could do it if they wanted.  I wrote an ICC interface _from scratch_
in one day.  The one I use to auto-comment on games in progress.  That parses
the chess board, passes the move and time info to the engine, takes moves
and kibitzes back to ICC, etc.

If I can do it, _they_ can do it.




>
>-elc.



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