Author: Tony Werten
Date: 23:27:55 12/02/03
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On December 02, 2003 at 20:38:43, Robert Hyatt wrote: >On December 02, 2003 at 12:33:35, Omid David Tabibi wrote: > >>On December 02, 2003 at 11:52:33, Matthew Hull wrote: >> >>>On December 02, 2003 at 11:20:08, Omid David Tabibi wrote: >>> >>>>On December 01, 2003 at 11:24:20, Robert Hyatt wrote: >>>> >>>>>On December 01, 2003 at 10:14:20, Omid David Tabibi wrote: >>>>> >>>>>>http://www.icga.org/News/events/wccc2004/BarIlan.pdf >>>>>> >>>>>>12th World Computer Chess Championship >>>>>>Bar-Ilan University, Ramat-Gan, Israel >>>>>>July 4th-12th 2004 >>>>> >>>>>July 4. >>>>> >>>>>What a bunch of morons. >>>>> >>>>>:) >>>>> >>>>>No doubt the 2005 event will be on December 25. >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>Is the ICCA going to supply flak jackets or do participants have to bring >>>>>their own? >>>> >>>>I assume that the participants of any event conducted in a New York skyscraper >>>>get a parachute and anti-aircraft Stinger, don't they? >>>> >>>>If you don't want to participate in any event outside Alabama, that's fine, just >>>>say it. But don't give stupid excuses, >>> >>> >>>The event is too long. That's a valid complaint. It is not a stupid excuse. >>>11 rounds swiss for 16 players. That is what is stupid. >> >>Too long for Americans but not too long for Europeans? Even Einstein would have >>trouble explaining this kind of relativity. > >1.5 weeks is too long. No matter how you cut it. It makes it too expensive >to boot. There are a couple of solutions the ICGA can consider: > >(1) reduce the number of rounds to something sane. 16 players needs 4 rounds >to get a winner, 5 or 6 should be the max. 32 needs 5 rounds, 6-7 max. If >the ICGA _insists_ on having 2x the necessary number of rounds, then play the >first 5 on the internet. Of course, the tournament will be effectively over >by then, but that just points out that 11 rounds is too many. > >(2) do nothing, and consider to see the competitors dwindle away, siphoned >off by the ICCT event on CCC. There's 1 more option. 11 rounds+speedchess could be easily played in 6 days rather than the 9 it took now. At the dutch tournements the timecontrol is 90 min, you can play 3 rounds a day, still have quality games, and play 11 rounds in 4 days. The sad thing is, it has nothing to do with what the players like. Think about it. The host has to pay 50,000$ (or whatever) for the event. What are the extra costs for him to have the tournement last 8 days rather than 4 ? Hardly comparable to the 50,000. Do you think he will pay the 50,000 for a 3-4 day event ? Of coarse not, since he has already paid the initial costs, it has to last as long as possible. Tony > >I've put in my time going to events. So I really don't care which happens. >I can live with (2) if the ICGA wants to ignore (1). > >> >> >>> >>>Holding the event on one continent every year. That is not reasonable and >>>against the charter. That is a valid complaint. >> >>Find sponsors in the US, we will come. But meanwhile, nobody in the US seems to >>be interested hosting the event. >> > > >"find the sponsors". "give us $50,000". Just what part does the ICGA play >in all of this? A "money sponge" and nothing else??? > > > > >> >>> >>>Holding the event on a major US family holiday. That is a valid complaint. >> >>If the chess championship starts on July 5th, will that solve your problem? >> > > >Sure, tell us where the transporter pad is so we can beam in on the 5th. > > > > >> >>> >>> >>>Holding the event in an embattled city -- that is a valid complaint. >> >>Embattled city?! We are talking about Tel-Aviv, not Gaza! >> >> >> >>>Would you >>>participate if the event were held during Yom Kippur, and in Pakistan? Beirut? >>>Bahgdad? Kabul? >> >>New York? >> >> >>>Get real. >>> >>> >>>>especially that you know very well that >>>>New York has been the primary victim of global terrorism, and that visiting >>>>Tel-Aviv is not any more dangerous than visiting New York. >>> >>> >>>How many homicide bombings in Tel-Aviv in the past year? How many in New York? >>>Case closed, my friend. >> >>The number of people killed in terrorist attacks in New York is more than twice >>the number of people killed in the entire Israel since 1993 Oslo accords. Case >>closed, my friend. >> > >That's because you can't count over there. One event here, two large >buildings. That's quite a bit different from 10 here, 30 there, spread >over a significant period of time. The probability of being involved in >that one event was very small. The more events, the greater the probability >you get involved... > >That was the only problem that had my attention. It is not only related >to your country. I could think of many places in the US where I would not >want to walk outside to go from a hotel to a tournament playing hall. But >then again, I wouldn't try to hold an event in those places... > > >> >> >>> >>>Regards, >>>MH >>> >>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>The ICGA is delighted to announce that today we have signed a contract with >>>>>>Bar-Ilan University, Israel, for them to host the 2004 World Computer Chess >>>>>>Championship. >>>>>> >>>>>>The planning of this event has been in progress for some time and every effort >>>>>>is being made to ensure that the particpants will enjoy their visit to Israel. >>>>>>The ICGA will provide $300 in financial assistance to 12 amateur programmers to >>>>>>assist them with the cost of their air tickets. >>>>>> >>>>>>An excursion to Jerusalem will be arranged by the ICGA during the event. There >>>>>>will also be ample opportunity for participants to enjoy themselves during the >>>>>>evenings as the games will start earlier than at previous events. >>>>>> >>>>>>In parallel with the World Computer Chess Championship the ICGA will be >>>>>>organising the 9th Computer Olympiad and the 4th International Conference, CG >>>>>>2004 on Computers and Games, both of which will also take place at Bar-Ilan >>>>>>University. The call for papers for the conference will be made public not later >>>>>>than December 8th. >>>>>> >>>>>>The event will be supported, amongst others, by the City of Ramat-Gan, Intel >>>>>>Israel, Israel’s Ministry of Tourism and Mercury Interactive. >>>>>> >>>>>>David Levy >>>>>>[President]
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