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Subject: Re: 12th WCCC, Bar-Ilan University, Ramat-Gan, Israel, July 4th-12th 200

Author: Amir Ban

Date: 02:57:49 12/03/03

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On December 02, 2003 at 20:16:20, Eugene Nalimov wrote:

>On December 02, 2003 at 16:19:58, Amir Ban wrote:
>
>>On December 02, 2003 at 10:18:42, Robert Hyatt wrote:
>>
>>>On December 02, 2003 at 03:34:31, Roberto Nerici wrote:
>>>
>>>>>>>July 4.
>>>>>>>What a bunch of morons.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Would have you gone anyway?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Roberto/.
>>>>>
>>>>>Perhaps if the ICGA provided flak vests.  Bruce has attended recent
>>>>>events.  As have others over here.  I am not the _only_ USA computer
>>>>>chess person, you know???
>>>>
>>>>Of course I know.
>>>>You forgot to mention Charles and James (Noonian and Insomniac), both of whom
>>>>have also attended a recent WCCC.
>>>>
>>>>My point is that I don't believe you would go to an event in Israel regardless
>>>>of the date. I don't know if you would go to a WCCC outside North America,
>>>
>>>I have attended an event in London, I flew to Paris in 1984 to do a chess
>>>demo.  I have gone to Canada.  And I have traveled multiple times to Europe
>>>over the past N years.  I was even at the _first_ WCCC event although I did
>>>not participate, in Sweden.
>>>
>>>My problem is time.  how to take about 2 weeks off from classes?  The events
>>>are now too long.  What is the point in 11 rounds with 16 participants?  Makes
>>>absolutely no sense at all.  It just drags out the event and triples the
>>>cost and time.  We don't have 2 week conferences anywhere.  Care to guess why
>>>that is?
>>>
>>
>>All the university professors I know take off for 2 or so weeks for wherever as
>>a matter of routine.
>>
>>I'm also pretty much in the corporate scene and trips by executives for 2 weeks
>>are nothing unusual. Actually it's the corporate way of life.
>
>Ok, so chess program written by some CEO surely can participate in WCCC.
>
>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>regardless of the exact location, the amount of money provided or the date, but
>>>>you have posted about this sort of thing _many_ times and the impression I have
>>>>got is that you would not.
>>>>
>>>>If any of the above, or any other US engine author, would go to WCCC12 if it was
>>>>on another date, then that would be a shame and I would be interested to read a
>>>>post by them.
>>>>
>>>>Roberto/.
>>>
>>>Again, the date is not the _only_ issue.  It is a minor one.  The time is
>>>the main issue, followed closely by the cost.  For example, in the ACM events
>>>we alternated east coast and west coast.  I managed to make it to almost all.
>>>One in Nashville TN was close.  One in LA was a long trip.  Next year NYC.
>>>Close.  Seattle.  Long trip.  We balanced it and always had more local
>>>participation than remote participation.  But it fostered the interest, which
>>>was the _point_.
>>>
>>>The ICGA used to do that as required by the charter.  Somewhere that went
>>>in the tank.
>>
>>So there are three continents: the East United States, the West United States,
>>and the Rest of the World (called Europe for short) ? You don't teach geography,
>>I guess.
>>
>>Notice that the event is being held in Asia for the third time in a decade. It
>>happens to be the largest and most populous continent.
>
>I can assure you that from Redmond, USA (where I live now) there is not much
>difference in travel time between Maastricht, Graz, Tel Aviv, or even my home
>city Novosibirsk (deep in the Asia). Either of them is in 11..15 hours of flight
>time, not counting time in airports...
>

My record time to the West Coast is 19 hours, including connections.

I've done it more times than I can count.

With a good connection Tokyo is 17 hours flight from here. I did it 5 times so
far.

The world is a big place, but everybody's traveling like crazy.

Amir


>Thanks,
>Eugene
>
>>Amir



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