Author: Matthew Hull
Date: 06:02:14 12/03/03
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On December 03, 2003 at 02:27:55, Tony Werten wrote: >On December 02, 2003 at 20:38:43, Robert Hyatt wrote: > >>On December 02, 2003 at 12:33:35, Omid David Tabibi wrote: >> >>>On December 02, 2003 at 11:52:33, Matthew Hull wrote: >>> >>>>On December 02, 2003 at 11:20:08, Omid David Tabibi wrote: >>>> >>>>>On December 01, 2003 at 11:24:20, Robert Hyatt wrote: >>>>> >>>>>>On December 01, 2003 at 10:14:20, Omid David Tabibi wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>>http://www.icga.org/News/events/wccc2004/BarIlan.pdf >>>>>>> >>>>>>>12th World Computer Chess Championship >>>>>>>Bar-Ilan University, Ramat-Gan, Israel >>>>>>>July 4th-12th 2004 >>>>>> >>>>>>July 4. >>>>>> >>>>>>What a bunch of morons. >>>>>> >>>>>>:) >>>>>> >>>>>>No doubt the 2005 event will be on December 25. >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>Is the ICCA going to supply flak jackets or do participants have to bring >>>>>>their own? >>>>> >>>>>I assume that the participants of any event conducted in a New York skyscraper >>>>>get a parachute and anti-aircraft Stinger, don't they? >>>>> >>>>>If you don't want to participate in any event outside Alabama, that's fine, just >>>>>say it. But don't give stupid excuses, >>>> >>>> >>>>The event is too long. That's a valid complaint. It is not a stupid excuse. >>>>11 rounds swiss for 16 players. That is what is stupid. >>> >>>Too long for Americans but not too long for Europeans? Even Einstein would have >>>trouble explaining this kind of relativity. >> >>1.5 weeks is too long. No matter how you cut it. It makes it too expensive >>to boot. There are a couple of solutions the ICGA can consider: >> >>(1) reduce the number of rounds to something sane. 16 players needs 4 rounds >>to get a winner, 5 or 6 should be the max. 32 needs 5 rounds, 6-7 max. If >>the ICGA _insists_ on having 2x the necessary number of rounds, then play the >>first 5 on the internet. Of course, the tournament will be effectively over >>by then, but that just points out that 11 rounds is too many. >> >>(2) do nothing, and consider to see the competitors dwindle away, siphoned >>off by the ICCT event on CCC. > >There's 1 more option. 11 rounds+speedchess could be easily played in 6 days >rather than the 9 it took now. Why do you insist on too many rounds in the first place? Has nobody been listening? 11 rounds swiss is too many rounds for 16 players. You might as well play a few more and make it round robin. MH > >At the dutch tournements the timecontrol is 90 min, you can play 3 rounds a day, >still have quality games, and play 11 rounds in 4 days. > >The sad thing is, it has nothing to do with what the players like. > >Think about it. The host has to pay 50,000$ (or whatever) for the event. What >are the extra costs for him to have the tournement last 8 days rather than 4 ? >Hardly comparable to the 50,000. Do you think he will pay the 50,000 for a 3-4 >day event ? Of coarse not, since he has already paid the initial costs, it has >to last as long as possible. > >Tony > >> >>I've put in my time going to events. So I really don't care which happens. >>I can live with (2) if the ICGA wants to ignore (1). >> >>> >>> >>>> >>>>Holding the event on one continent every year. That is not reasonable and >>>>against the charter. That is a valid complaint. >>> >>>Find sponsors in the US, we will come. But meanwhile, nobody in the US seems to >>>be interested hosting the event. >>> >> >> >>"find the sponsors". "give us $50,000". Just what part does the ICGA play >>in all of this? A "money sponge" and nothing else??? >> >> >> >> >>> >>>> >>>>Holding the event on a major US family holiday. That is a valid complaint. >>> >>>If the chess championship starts on July 5th, will that solve your problem? >>> >> >> >>Sure, tell us where the transporter pad is so we can beam in on the 5th. >> >> >> >> >>> >>>> >>>> >>>>Holding the event in an embattled city -- that is a valid complaint. >>> >>>Embattled city?! We are talking about Tel-Aviv, not Gaza! >>> >>> >>> >>>>Would you >>>>participate if the event were held during Yom Kippur, and in Pakistan? Beirut? >>>>Bahgdad? Kabul? >>> >>>New York? >>> >>> >>>>Get real. >>>> >>>> >>>>>especially that you know very well that >>>>>New York has been the primary victim of global terrorism, and that visiting >>>>>Tel-Aviv is not any more dangerous than visiting New York. >>>> >>>> >>>>How many homicide bombings in Tel-Aviv in the past year? How many in New York? >>>>Case closed, my friend. >>> >>>The number of people killed in terrorist attacks in New York is more than twice >>>the number of people killed in the entire Israel since 1993 Oslo accords. Case >>>closed, my friend. >>> >> >>That's because you can't count over there. One event here, two large >>buildings. That's quite a bit different from 10 here, 30 there, spread >>over a significant period of time. The probability of being involved in >>that one event was very small. The more events, the greater the probability >>you get involved... >> >>That was the only problem that had my attention. It is not only related >>to your country. I could think of many places in the US where I would not >>want to walk outside to go from a hotel to a tournament playing hall. But >>then again, I wouldn't try to hold an event in those places... >> >> >>> >>> >>>> >>>>Regards, >>>>MH >>>> >>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>The ICGA is delighted to announce that today we have signed a contract with >>>>>>>Bar-Ilan University, Israel, for them to host the 2004 World Computer Chess >>>>>>>Championship. >>>>>>> >>>>>>>The planning of this event has been in progress for some time and every effort >>>>>>>is being made to ensure that the particpants will enjoy their visit to Israel. >>>>>>>The ICGA will provide $300 in financial assistance to 12 amateur programmers to >>>>>>>assist them with the cost of their air tickets. >>>>>>> >>>>>>>An excursion to Jerusalem will be arranged by the ICGA during the event. There >>>>>>>will also be ample opportunity for participants to enjoy themselves during the >>>>>>>evenings as the games will start earlier than at previous events. >>>>>>> >>>>>>>In parallel with the World Computer Chess Championship the ICGA will be >>>>>>>organising the 9th Computer Olympiad and the 4th International Conference, CG >>>>>>>2004 on Computers and Games, both of which will also take place at Bar-Ilan >>>>>>>University. The call for papers for the conference will be made public not later >>>>>>>than December 8th. >>>>>>> >>>>>>>The event will be supported, amongst others, by the City of Ramat-Gan, Intel >>>>>>>Israel, Israel’s Ministry of Tourism and Mercury Interactive. >>>>>>> >>>>>>>David Levy >>>>>>>[President]
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