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Subject: Re: 12th WCCC, Bar-Ilan University, Ramat-Gan, Israel, July 4th-12th 200

Author: Eugene Nalimov

Date: 20:06:26 12/03/03

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On December 03, 2003 at 05:57:49, Amir Ban wrote:

>On December 02, 2003 at 20:16:20, Eugene Nalimov wrote:
>
>>On December 02, 2003 at 16:19:58, Amir Ban wrote:
>>
>>>On December 02, 2003 at 10:18:42, Robert Hyatt wrote:
>>>
>>>>On December 02, 2003 at 03:34:31, Roberto Nerici wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>>>>July 4.
>>>>>>>>What a bunch of morons.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Would have you gone anyway?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Roberto/.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Perhaps if the ICGA provided flak vests.  Bruce has attended recent
>>>>>>events.  As have others over here.  I am not the _only_ USA computer
>>>>>>chess person, you know???
>>>>>
>>>>>Of course I know.
>>>>>You forgot to mention Charles and James (Noonian and Insomniac), both of whom
>>>>>have also attended a recent WCCC.
>>>>>
>>>>>My point is that I don't believe you would go to an event in Israel regardless
>>>>>of the date. I don't know if you would go to a WCCC outside North America,
>>>>
>>>>I have attended an event in London, I flew to Paris in 1984 to do a chess
>>>>demo.  I have gone to Canada.  And I have traveled multiple times to Europe
>>>>over the past N years.  I was even at the _first_ WCCC event although I did
>>>>not participate, in Sweden.
>>>>
>>>>My problem is time.  how to take about 2 weeks off from classes?  The events
>>>>are now too long.  What is the point in 11 rounds with 16 participants?  Makes
>>>>absolutely no sense at all.  It just drags out the event and triples the
>>>>cost and time.  We don't have 2 week conferences anywhere.  Care to guess why
>>>>that is?
>>>>
>>>
>>>All the university professors I know take off for 2 or so weeks for wherever as
>>>a matter of routine.
>>>
>>>I'm also pretty much in the corporate scene and trips by executives for 2 weeks
>>>are nothing unusual. Actually it's the corporate way of life.
>>
>>Ok, so chess program written by some CEO surely can participate in WCCC.
>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>regardless of the exact location, the amount of money provided or the date, but
>>>>>you have posted about this sort of thing _many_ times and the impression I have
>>>>>got is that you would not.
>>>>>
>>>>>If any of the above, or any other US engine author, would go to WCCC12 if it was
>>>>>on another date, then that would be a shame and I would be interested to read a
>>>>>post by them.
>>>>>
>>>>>Roberto/.
>>>>
>>>>Again, the date is not the _only_ issue.  It is a minor one.  The time is
>>>>the main issue, followed closely by the cost.  For example, in the ACM events
>>>>we alternated east coast and west coast.  I managed to make it to almost all.
>>>>One in Nashville TN was close.  One in LA was a long trip.  Next year NYC.
>>>>Close.  Seattle.  Long trip.  We balanced it and always had more local
>>>>participation than remote participation.  But it fostered the interest, which
>>>>was the _point_.
>>>>
>>>>The ICGA used to do that as required by the charter.  Somewhere that went
>>>>in the tank.
>>>
>>>So there are three continents: the East United States, the West United States,
>>>and the Rest of the World (called Europe for short) ? You don't teach geography,
>>>I guess.
>>>
>>>Notice that the event is being held in Asia for the third time in a decade. It
>>>happens to be the largest and most populous continent.
>>
>>I can assure you that from Redmond, USA (where I live now) there is not much
>>difference in travel time between Maastricht, Graz, Tel Aviv, or even my home
>>city Novosibirsk (deep in the Asia). Either of them is in 11..15 hours of flight
>>time, not counting time in airports...
>>
>
>My record time to the West Coast is 19 hours, including connections.
>
>I've done it more times than I can count.
>
>With a good connection Tokyo is 17 hours flight from here. I did it 5 times so
>far.
>
>The world is a big place, but everybody's traveling like crazy.

Unfortunately, the fact that you (or arbitrary large number of other people) are
travel a lot doesn't mean that particular person would be able to travel far
away for almost 2 weeks.

Thanks,
Eugene

>Amir
>
>
>>Thanks,
>>Eugene
>>
>>>Amir



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