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Subject: Re: 12th WCCC, Bar-Ilan University, Ramat-Gan, Israel, July 4th-12th 200

Author: Amir Ban

Date: 03:32:41 12/04/03

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On December 03, 2003 at 23:06:26, Eugene Nalimov wrote:

>On December 03, 2003 at 05:57:49, Amir Ban wrote:
>
>>On December 02, 2003 at 20:16:20, Eugene Nalimov wrote:
>>
>>>On December 02, 2003 at 16:19:58, Amir Ban wrote:
>>>
>>>>On December 02, 2003 at 10:18:42, Robert Hyatt wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>On December 02, 2003 at 03:34:31, Roberto Nerici wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>July 4.
>>>>>>>>>What a bunch of morons.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Would have you gone anyway?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Roberto/.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Perhaps if the ICGA provided flak vests.  Bruce has attended recent
>>>>>>>events.  As have others over here.  I am not the _only_ USA computer
>>>>>>>chess person, you know???
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Of course I know.
>>>>>>You forgot to mention Charles and James (Noonian and Insomniac), both of whom
>>>>>>have also attended a recent WCCC.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>My point is that I don't believe you would go to an event in Israel regardless
>>>>>>of the date. I don't know if you would go to a WCCC outside North America,
>>>>>
>>>>>I have attended an event in London, I flew to Paris in 1984 to do a chess
>>>>>demo.  I have gone to Canada.  And I have traveled multiple times to Europe
>>>>>over the past N years.  I was even at the _first_ WCCC event although I did
>>>>>not participate, in Sweden.
>>>>>
>>>>>My problem is time.  how to take about 2 weeks off from classes?  The events
>>>>>are now too long.  What is the point in 11 rounds with 16 participants?  Makes
>>>>>absolutely no sense at all.  It just drags out the event and triples the
>>>>>cost and time.  We don't have 2 week conferences anywhere.  Care to guess why
>>>>>that is?
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>All the university professors I know take off for 2 or so weeks for wherever as
>>>>a matter of routine.
>>>>
>>>>I'm also pretty much in the corporate scene and trips by executives for 2 weeks
>>>>are nothing unusual. Actually it's the corporate way of life.
>>>
>>>Ok, so chess program written by some CEO surely can participate in WCCC.
>>>
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>regardless of the exact location, the amount of money provided or the date, but
>>>>>>you have posted about this sort of thing _many_ times and the impression I have
>>>>>>got is that you would not.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>If any of the above, or any other US engine author, would go to WCCC12 if it was
>>>>>>on another date, then that would be a shame and I would be interested to read a
>>>>>>post by them.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Roberto/.
>>>>>
>>>>>Again, the date is not the _only_ issue.  It is a minor one.  The time is
>>>>>the main issue, followed closely by the cost.  For example, in the ACM events
>>>>>we alternated east coast and west coast.  I managed to make it to almost all.
>>>>>One in Nashville TN was close.  One in LA was a long trip.  Next year NYC.
>>>>>Close.  Seattle.  Long trip.  We balanced it and always had more local
>>>>>participation than remote participation.  But it fostered the interest, which
>>>>>was the _point_.
>>>>>
>>>>>The ICGA used to do that as required by the charter.  Somewhere that went
>>>>>in the tank.
>>>>
>>>>So there are three continents: the East United States, the West United States,
>>>>and the Rest of the World (called Europe for short) ? You don't teach geography,
>>>>I guess.
>>>>
>>>>Notice that the event is being held in Asia for the third time in a decade. It
>>>>happens to be the largest and most populous continent.
>>>
>>>I can assure you that from Redmond, USA (where I live now) there is not much
>>>difference in travel time between Maastricht, Graz, Tel Aviv, or even my home
>>>city Novosibirsk (deep in the Asia). Either of them is in 11..15 hours of flight
>>>time, not counting time in airports...
>>>
>>
>>My record time to the West Coast is 19 hours, including connections.
>>
>>I've done it more times than I can count.
>>
>>With a good connection Tokyo is 17 hours flight from here. I did it 5 times so
>>far.
>>
>>The world is a big place, but everybody's traveling like crazy.
>
>Unfortunately, the fact that you (or arbitrary large number of other people) are
>travel a lot doesn't mean that particular person would be able to travel far
>away for almost 2 weeks.
>

If you travel for 2 weeks, I don't see how it matters whether you traveled far
or near.

Amir


>Thanks,
>Eugene
>
>>Amir
>>
>>
>>>Thanks,
>>>Eugene
>>>
>>>>Amir



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