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Subject: Re: 12th WCCC, Bar-Ilan University, Ramat-Gan, Israel, July 4th-12th 200

Author: Robert Hyatt

Date: 07:08:44 12/04/03

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On December 04, 2003 at 06:32:41, Amir Ban wrote:

>On December 03, 2003 at 23:06:26, Eugene Nalimov wrote:
>
>>On December 03, 2003 at 05:57:49, Amir Ban wrote:
>>
>>>On December 02, 2003 at 20:16:20, Eugene Nalimov wrote:
>>>
>>>>On December 02, 2003 at 16:19:58, Amir Ban wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>On December 02, 2003 at 10:18:42, Robert Hyatt wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>On December 02, 2003 at 03:34:31, Roberto Nerici wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>July 4.
>>>>>>>>>>What a bunch of morons.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>Would have you gone anyway?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>Roberto/.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Perhaps if the ICGA provided flak vests.  Bruce has attended recent
>>>>>>>>events.  As have others over here.  I am not the _only_ USA computer
>>>>>>>>chess person, you know???
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Of course I know.
>>>>>>>You forgot to mention Charles and James (Noonian and Insomniac), both of whom
>>>>>>>have also attended a recent WCCC.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>My point is that I don't believe you would go to an event in Israel regardless
>>>>>>>of the date. I don't know if you would go to a WCCC outside North America,
>>>>>>
>>>>>>I have attended an event in London, I flew to Paris in 1984 to do a chess
>>>>>>demo.  I have gone to Canada.  And I have traveled multiple times to Europe
>>>>>>over the past N years.  I was even at the _first_ WCCC event although I did
>>>>>>not participate, in Sweden.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>My problem is time.  how to take about 2 weeks off from classes?  The events
>>>>>>are now too long.  What is the point in 11 rounds with 16 participants?  Makes
>>>>>>absolutely no sense at all.  It just drags out the event and triples the
>>>>>>cost and time.  We don't have 2 week conferences anywhere.  Care to guess why
>>>>>>that is?
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>All the university professors I know take off for 2 or so weeks for wherever as
>>>>>a matter of routine.
>>>>>
>>>>>I'm also pretty much in the corporate scene and trips by executives for 2 weeks
>>>>>are nothing unusual. Actually it's the corporate way of life.
>>>>
>>>>Ok, so chess program written by some CEO surely can participate in WCCC.
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>regardless of the exact location, the amount of money provided or the date, but
>>>>>>>you have posted about this sort of thing _many_ times and the impression I have
>>>>>>>got is that you would not.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>If any of the above, or any other US engine author, would go to WCCC12 if it was
>>>>>>>on another date, then that would be a shame and I would be interested to read a
>>>>>>>post by them.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Roberto/.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Again, the date is not the _only_ issue.  It is a minor one.  The time is
>>>>>>the main issue, followed closely by the cost.  For example, in the ACM events
>>>>>>we alternated east coast and west coast.  I managed to make it to almost all.
>>>>>>One in Nashville TN was close.  One in LA was a long trip.  Next year NYC.
>>>>>>Close.  Seattle.  Long trip.  We balanced it and always had more local
>>>>>>participation than remote participation.  But it fostered the interest, which
>>>>>>was the _point_.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>The ICGA used to do that as required by the charter.  Somewhere that went
>>>>>>in the tank.
>>>>>
>>>>>So there are three continents: the East United States, the West United States,
>>>>>and the Rest of the World (called Europe for short) ? You don't teach geography,
>>>>>I guess.
>>>>>
>>>>>Notice that the event is being held in Asia for the third time in a decade. It
>>>>>happens to be the largest and most populous continent.
>>>>
>>>>I can assure you that from Redmond, USA (where I live now) there is not much
>>>>difference in travel time between Maastricht, Graz, Tel Aviv, or even my home
>>>>city Novosibirsk (deep in the Asia). Either of them is in 11..15 hours of flight
>>>>time, not counting time in airports...
>>>>
>>>
>>>My record time to the West Coast is 19 hours, including connections.
>>>
>>>I've done it more times than I can count.
>>>
>>>With a good connection Tokyo is 17 hours flight from here. I did it 5 times so
>>>far.
>>>
>>>The world is a big place, but everybody's traveling like crazy.
>>
>>Unfortunately, the fact that you (or arbitrary large number of other people) are
>>travel a lot doesn't mean that particular person would be able to travel far
>>away for almost 2 weeks.
>>
>
>If you travel for 2 weeks, I don't see how it matters whether you traveled far
>or near.
>
>Amir

The difference is _where_ and _why_ you travel.  Executives don't travel
to out-of-the-way cities.  They travel to branch offices or to visit other
companies they work with.  So while they travel, they work. Not the same
when you attend a WCCC/WMCCC event.  The only way we won the 1986 event
was that Harry Nelson and his wife had already planned a weeks vacation in
Europe.  He extended it to two weeks to include the 5-round 1986 WCCC event.
Note 5 round.  With 16 participants that would have been fine for this
year too...





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