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Subject: Re: 12th WCCC, Bar-Ilan University, Ramat-Gan, Israel, July 4th-12th 200

Author: Robert Hyatt

Date: 20:19:04 12/04/03

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On December 04, 2003 at 21:01:32, Thomas Mayer wrote:

>Hi Matthew
>
>> Why don't you address the issue of the ICGA charter?
>This is no issue - that has changed... but go on to live in the past

Fine.  Many of us will choose to do that.  Count the ECGA one member
fewer when my current membership expires.  I think it really marvelous
that the organizaation changes the charter, when _I_ as a long-term member
never got any chance to vote on such a change.  IE it probably is not valid
for the ICCA board to change the charter unilaterally.  Of course that has
not stopped them in the past, so...


>
>> Why don't you address the auto-play issue?
>you are unfamiliar with that - The CCTs - an autoplayer-event - are very nice
>tourneys, but possibilities to cheat are very high - and it is not nearly the
>athmosphere that you have at an on the board tourney - but you will never
>understand as long as you have not done it yourself...

So a tournament with no humans involved is _not_ inherently less likely to
have cheating?

That's a crock.  We have had cheating at human-operated events.  We will have
cheating on internet events.  It would be _very_ difficult, however, to have
cheating at an event where everyone was local, but programs only used an
automatic interface.  A "computer chess" organization can't let computers
connect and play?  :)

that's both idiocy and incompetence.  Rolled into one wad...

>
>> The length issue?
>so well, it would take 5 rounds - what will happen at CCC -> they will all say:
>"Oh, it was so short, the winner was just lucky" etc. etc.... so what ?
>
>> The issue that ICGA should be drumming up sponsorships in the respective
>> parts of the globe.
>respective ? You mean US ? Get real - as long the ICGA must not search for
>sponsorships and organisations are still interested in the WCCC without the ICGA
>doing to much - what would you do ?


I would do just what _we_ did in the early days of the ICCA.  The US hosted
the _first_ computer chess event ever held, in 1970.  We organized the
first WCCC event, and didn't even hold it here, in 1974.  For the first 10 years
of computer chess, the US (and Canada) _was_ computer chess.  Did we try to
"keep it down home" or did we "try to foster interest world-wide"???  The
answer is obvious.  This is how that effort gets "returned"?  :)

It is your kind of attitude that is going to sink the ECGA.  So be it.  Another
organization will fill in the gap...

>Ah, okay, I am one of those ugly old european - thanks for talking...
>
>Greets, Thomas

I'm one of those ugly old Americans that _started_ this organization.  My name
was on the original membership list in 1977.  That says _something_.





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