Author: Amir Ban
Date: 16:52:15 12/05/03
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On December 04, 2003 at 21:31:40, Eugene Nalimov wrote: >On December 04, 2003 at 06:32:41, Amir Ban wrote: > >>On December 03, 2003 at 23:06:26, Eugene Nalimov wrote: >> >>>On December 03, 2003 at 05:57:49, Amir Ban wrote: >>> >>>>On December 02, 2003 at 20:16:20, Eugene Nalimov wrote: >>>> >>>>>On December 02, 2003 at 16:19:58, Amir Ban wrote: >>>>> >>>>>>On December 02, 2003 at 10:18:42, Robert Hyatt wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>>On December 02, 2003 at 03:34:31, Roberto Nerici wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>July 4. >>>>>>>>>>>What a bunch of morons. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>Would have you gone anyway? >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>Roberto/. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>Perhaps if the ICGA provided flak vests. Bruce has attended recent >>>>>>>>>events. As have others over here. I am not the _only_ USA computer >>>>>>>>>chess person, you know??? >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>Of course I know. >>>>>>>>You forgot to mention Charles and James (Noonian and Insomniac), both of whom >>>>>>>>have also attended a recent WCCC. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>My point is that I don't believe you would go to an event in Israel regardless >>>>>>>>of the date. I don't know if you would go to a WCCC outside North America, >>>>>>> >>>>>>>I have attended an event in London, I flew to Paris in 1984 to do a chess >>>>>>>demo. I have gone to Canada. And I have traveled multiple times to Europe >>>>>>>over the past N years. I was even at the _first_ WCCC event although I did >>>>>>>not participate, in Sweden. >>>>>>> >>>>>>>My problem is time. how to take about 2 weeks off from classes? The events >>>>>>>are now too long. What is the point in 11 rounds with 16 participants? Makes >>>>>>>absolutely no sense at all. It just drags out the event and triples the >>>>>>>cost and time. We don't have 2 week conferences anywhere. Care to guess why >>>>>>>that is? >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>All the university professors I know take off for 2 or so weeks for wherever as >>>>>>a matter of routine. >>>>>> >>>>>>I'm also pretty much in the corporate scene and trips by executives for 2 weeks >>>>>>are nothing unusual. Actually it's the corporate way of life. >>>>> >>>>>Ok, so chess program written by some CEO surely can participate in WCCC. >>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>>regardless of the exact location, the amount of money provided or the date, but >>>>>>>>you have posted about this sort of thing _many_ times and the impression I have >>>>>>>>got is that you would not. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>If any of the above, or any other US engine author, would go to WCCC12 if it was >>>>>>>>on another date, then that would be a shame and I would be interested to read a >>>>>>>>post by them. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>Roberto/. >>>>>>> >>>>>>>Again, the date is not the _only_ issue. It is a minor one. The time is >>>>>>>the main issue, followed closely by the cost. For example, in the ACM events >>>>>>>we alternated east coast and west coast. I managed to make it to almost all. >>>>>>>One in Nashville TN was close. One in LA was a long trip. Next year NYC. >>>>>>>Close. Seattle. Long trip. We balanced it and always had more local >>>>>>>participation than remote participation. But it fostered the interest, which >>>>>>>was the _point_. >>>>>>> >>>>>>>The ICGA used to do that as required by the charter. Somewhere that went >>>>>>>in the tank. >>>>>> >>>>>>So there are three continents: the East United States, the West United States, >>>>>>and the Rest of the World (called Europe for short) ? You don't teach geography, >>>>>>I guess. >>>>>> >>>>>>Notice that the event is being held in Asia for the third time in a decade. It >>>>>>happens to be the largest and most populous continent. >>>>> >>>>>I can assure you that from Redmond, USA (where I live now) there is not much >>>>>difference in travel time between Maastricht, Graz, Tel Aviv, or even my home >>>>>city Novosibirsk (deep in the Asia). Either of them is in 11..15 hours of flight >>>>>time, not counting time in airports... >>>>> >>>> >>>>My record time to the West Coast is 19 hours, including connections. >>>> >>>>I've done it more times than I can count. >>>> >>>>With a good connection Tokyo is 17 hours flight from here. I did it 5 times so >>>>far. >>>> >>>>The world is a big place, but everybody's traveling like crazy. >>> >>>Unfortunately, the fact that you (or arbitrary large number of other people) are >>>travel a lot doesn't mean that particular person would be able to travel far >>>away for almost 2 weeks. >>> >> >>If you travel for 2 weeks, I don't see how it matters whether you traveled far >>or near. > >Unfortunately, there is difference. Several reasons, in no particular order: > >(1) You would not believe, but flying from Redmond to Europe (or Israel) is >several times more expensive than to any location in the North America. And >because we are talking about weeks, not days, I'd probably travel with kids -- >so we are talking about thousands of dollars price difference *on tickets only*. > >(2) Every year I am travelling to Russia. I am spending ~24 hours in planes and >airports going one way. I am unable to do anything at least the next day; >probably more if I'd had to do something complicated (programming, setting up a >system, etc.). So add at least 2-3 days to WCCC time and travel time. And I am >not talking about children -- they usually need 4-7 days to flip day and night. >(Maastricht at 3:00am was really interesting, but as some by-walkers noticed, >it's not proper view for children...) > >(3) My wife told me "you will *not* travel to Israel at least several next >years". You can try to convince her that's safer than travel to NY, but I think >I know the outcome... Well I didn't think you have a program to play, but it will be great to have you here, as in Maastricht. Tell you wife that in May 2004 the European Basketball Association will hold its final-four tournament in Tel-Aviv, and several thousand European fans are expected to be here to cheer their teams. Amir > >(4) As Russian citizen I have to obtain visa for travel into (almost) any >European country. I have to do lot of paperwork, visit consulates or embassies, >etc. (Ok, Ok, I don't need visa to enter Switzerland; there is direct flight >from here to there -- I agree to go there). Yes, that is minor obstacle compared >to precious ones, but that is the last straw... > >Thanks, >Eugene > >>Amir >> >> >>>Thanks, >>>Eugene >>> >>>>Amir >>>> >>>> >>>>>Thanks, >>>>>Eugene >>>>> >>>>>>Amir
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