Author: Miguel A. Ballicora
Date: 21:02:59 12/05/03
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On December 05, 2003 at 20:37:20, Robert Hyatt wrote: >On December 04, 2003 at 11:24:27, Miguel A. Ballicora wrote: > >>On December 02, 2003 at 10:13:36, Robert Hyatt wrote: >> >>>On December 02, 2003 at 01:10:24, Johan de Koning wrote: >>> >>>>On December 01, 2003 at 11:24:20, Robert Hyatt wrote: >>>> >>>>>On December 01, 2003 at 10:14:20, Omid David Tabibi wrote: >>>>> >>>>>>http://www.icga.org/News/events/wccc2004/BarIlan.pdf >>>>>> >>>>>>12th World Computer Chess Championship >>>>>>Bar-Ilan University, Ramat-Gan, Israel >>>>>>July 4th-12th 2004 >>>>> >>>>>July 4. >>>>> >>>>>What a bunch of morons. >>>>> >>>>>:) >>>> >>>>Given the smiley I'll grant you the benefit of the doubt, but in Global English >>>>it still is equivalent to "the ICGA board is a collection of [BLEEP]ing idiots". >>> >>>Let me be more specific, since it was apparently not clear enough: >>> >>>"the people running the tournament in Graz were a bunch of [BLEEP]ing >>>idiots". >>> >>>Most of that falling squarely on the TD I assume, although I was not present. >>> >>> >>> >>>> >>>>I know you know the I in ICGA and the W in WCCC. >>> >>>Yes. "I" somehow equates to "European".. >>> >>>This organization is _really_ the ECGA, not the ICGA. And the WCCC is really >>>the ECCC. World events are held all over the world. Continental events are >>>held on a specific continent. >>> >>>>And I hope you know that 98% of this world's population does not care about >>>>TG-day, nor about I-day, nor about Halloween, nor about UAb classes. >>> >>> >>>This isn't about "UAB classes". It is about taking off for 1.5 weeks from >>>_any_ job, spending a lot of money to trave, for room and food, and doing >>>it _every_ year/ every 3 years, since these events are _never_ held outside >>>Europe. There are other continents on this planet. But my stand here is well >>>known and won't change anything, except that something will come along to >>>replace ECGA with something containing a real I.. even if I means Internet. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>> >>>>Think about the math: there's no way you can schedule an event without depriving >>>>at least someone of his favorite cultural event with only 365 >>>>weeks in a year. For 1-day weeks that is. >>> >>> >>>That is only a small issue. July 4 is minor. 1.5 weeks is major. Flying >>>half-way around the world to attend any ECGA event is expensive. _those_ >>>are the main points. Let's not turn this into a holiday issue exclusively. >>> >>>However, holidays _are_ important. And it is not hard to make a list >>>to include Christmas (world), Thanksgiving (USA), July 4 (USA), Boxing Day >>>(England at least, don't know how widespread), and so forth. Mark those >>>days _OFF_. There are plenty left. And there are other holidays that need >>>to be avoided from other countries as well. Conferences do this _all_ the >>>time. The ECGA could also, with a little thought. >> >>Every major chess open in US are played during holidays, Memorial Day, July 4th, >>Labor day, Christmas etc. >>The only one that is not touched is thanksgiving. > >I have _never_ seen a US Open played on Christmas. As I said, Christmas and >Thanksgiving are two historical family holiday periods over here. But the The North American Open is played in Las Vegas from 26-29. If you are not in Nevada and you plan to win the thing, you have to fly during Christmas. Of course US is not alone, the most traditional and oldest master tournament is played in Christmas in UK (Hastings). >holidays are a _minor_ part of this. IE I won't buy a Ford F350 truck >because (a) it is too big; (b) it is too expensive; (c) I don't tow loads >heavy enough to require something that size; (d) .. (e) ... (f) I don't >like the color. > >Color is not _the_ issue. It is just "a" issue. I've bought more than >one new vehicle where I did not completely like the color. But I did like >the size, cost, performance, options, etc... > >That's what I mean by "holidays are not generally a deal-breaker" if you >stay off Thanksgiving and Christmas. My point is that the date is no issue at all. In fact, the chess world prefers holidays because everybody has a job. Miguel > >1.5 weeks is the _big_ deal-breaker for me. > >> >>Miguel >> >> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>> >>>>>No doubt the 2005 event will be on December 25. >>>> >>>>An excellent excuse to avoid the end-of-year nuisance. >>>> >>>>>Is the ICCA going to supply flak jackets or do participants have to bring >>>>>their own? >>>> >>>>You know damned well the ICGA can't afford to supply flakjacks for every >>>>participant, and you know damned well that's the reason there will not be an >>>>I or W event in the US. :-D >>> >>>Yes there is. Because the ECGA is really not interested in hosting an event >>>over here, because suddenly _they_ might have to travel a bit more? But I'm >>>not that concerned myself. The CCT events are growing in popularity and the >>>ECGA events are waning. If nobody wants to turn that around, that is fine by >>>me. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>> >>>>... Johan
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