Author: Dieter Buerssner
Date: 13:09:20 12/08/03
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On December 08, 2003 at 15:43:00, Robert Hyatt wrote: >On December 08, 2003 at 13:34:55, Dieter Buerssner wrote: > >>On December 07, 2003 at 20:31:50, Robert Hyatt wrote: >> >>>It is absolutely certain that Ke2 wins, any other first move draws. If white >>>plays anything other than Ke2, then another wrong step can actually lose this. >As I said, I _believe_ it has been exhaustively proven that Ke2 >wins, everything else draws. I fear, I didn't get it. Your sentence at the top seems to imply, that this is totally out analyzed, and it is certain, that any other move than Ke2 will draw (at most). The sentence above seems not so certain. >You might ask someone on ICC with a >very high "wild rating" about this game. There are several IM/GM >players that play it perfectly and can tell you what is wrong >about any move you play. I'd love to play it out with another move than Ke2. I am personally much too weak, but I have some confidence in my engine and to its backward analysis skills. So, I could only play with engine support (preferably at very long time control), but manually operated. I just typed "best wild" at ICC. There seems no IM/GM in the list: best wild (Human only) Wild 2287 tkc 2239 Tipau 2218 Wolfgang 2172 CHEssGUEVARA 2140 forevergm 2131 BullRook 2128 zebra3 2100 shoehead 2083 Kueh 2079 ChampBlair 2066 Sicilian-GM1 2048 natnee 2042 Baffler 2038 RootinTootin 2037 theconquerer 2035 ratty 2032 Aldos 2030 Kupnu4 2028 SullenBishop 2011 Big-C 2004 WhollyCow 1989 manest Was this the wrong command? Thanks for your explanations (which I snipped). >For every black off-side move, white counters so that black gets zugged >on the offside first, then gets zugged on the queenside next. As I said, >it is a "nim-like" game with a finite solution that is pretty easy to see >once you understand it. a4 certainly won't win. Ke1 won't either. Which move do you play after 1. a4 and which move do you play after 1. Ke1 as black? How about a little bet (not for money or anything, just out of curiosity). You certainly know the right people to play this (perhaps you want to do it yourself). I don't. Perhaps you could arrange a game on ICC (examine mode would be perfectly ok, too). I would again set up my engine with lots of backward analysis. So, in no means fair play from my side. But when there are players, that play it perfectly (as you said), that should be no problem. Regards, Dieter
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