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Subject: Re: Shredder wins in Graz after controversy

Author: Sandro Necchi

Date: 04:53:51 12/09/03

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On December 09, 2003 at 07:36:14, Darse Billings wrote:

>
>I have been asked to contribute my views regarding the Shredder vs
>Jonny game in Graz.  (I was in Graz during the WCCC, and I've been
>involved in similar 3-fold repetition situations in the Computer
>Olympiad.  FWIW, I have the highest arbiter certification awarded
>by the Chess Federation of Canada: National Tournament Director.)
>
>  http://www.chessbase.com/newsdetail.asp?newsid=1335
>
>This is an interesting situation, but the ruling was entirely correct.
>
>The actual circumstances made the decision clear.  Anyone who cannot
>see this needs to check their logic or their knowledge of the rules.
>
>The hypothetical issue is more interesting: whether the operator has
>the right to decline an opportunity to draw.
>
>Some people have asserted that the operator does not have that right.
>They are wrong.
>
>Since the operator is given the right to claim a draw on behalf of
>the program, the natural corollary is that it is *not obligatory*
>for the operator to do so.  Note that this discretionary privilege
>can also lead to a *win* for the operator's program.  The operator
>is *not* a completely passive entity, nor has that ever been the
>case in computer chess competitions.
>
>The rule in question dates back to a previous era when computer chess
>was a friendly competition between gentlemen.  If that is no longer
>desirable, then the whole process of claiming a draw (as well as
>resigning on behalf of the program) must be revisited, and be taken
>out of the hands of the operator.
>
>The exact procedure for claiming a draw by 3-fold repetition is
>covered in the FIDE rules.  If a program follows those steps, then
>the operator has no say in the matter.  Most programmers have better
>things to do than encoding every niggling detail of the FIDE rules
>(which were developed for human players).
>
>Personally, I prefer to allow the programmer to do what he believes
>to be right.  If I were the arbiter, I would rule accordingly.  If a
>third party suggested or demanded that a programmer do something he
>believes to be less than honourable, I would hope it was a bad joke,
>and would dismiss it summarily.
>
>It is a sad statement that some non-cooperative participants prefer
>to use the rules as a weapon, forcing increasingly complex rules to
>handle minor quibbles (which is an impossible task in the limit; at
>some point judgement and reason must come into play).
>
>Regardless, the case at hand is clear and unambiguous: Jonny did not
>follow the exact steps for claiming a draw, and the operator's choice
>to continue the game was legal.  Those who have criticized the ICGA
>on this matter should rethink their position.
>
>As a side note, this situation would not have arisen if the programs
>were required to use a direct communication protocol, like that used
>for Go competitions.  We could also dispense with the physical clocks,
>leaving the time enforcement (and other technical details, like draw
>claims) to a referee program in the middle.  This places a greater
>burden on the programmer to satisfy the protocol, and I wouldn't
>recommend it for friendly events like the Computer Olympiad, but
>it is long overdue for the World Computer Chess Championship.
>
>  - Darse.

Hi,

I fully agree.
This was what I tried to tell to the people in this forum, too.
I was not in Graz, but I know Stefan is a most correct player and programmer, so
I have full trust him to do the right thing.
I must also say that some people in this forum really really disappointed me a
lot as they are not sportive at all (in my opionion) and too easy to criticize.
Luckily they are not all, so I will continuo to read posts in this forum.

I like to challenge myself, but to do it within the rules and respecting the
opponents as well.

Too many people here have the really bad habit to offend other people if they
think different...

Thanks Darse...I think this was needed to open somebody's eyes...

Sandro




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