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Subject: Re: Shredder wins in Graz after controversy

Author: Terry McCracken

Date: 21:11:47 12/09/03

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On December 09, 2003 at 23:26:32, Robert Hyatt wrote:

>On December 09, 2003 at 23:20:15, Terry McCracken wrote:
>
>>On December 09, 2003 at 22:38:45, Nicholas Cooper wrote:
>>
>>>On December 09, 2003 at 14:26:47, Gian-Carlo Pascutto wrote:
>>>
>>>>On December 09, 2003 at 10:59:14, Robert Hyatt wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>"An operator can only  (1) type in moves and (2) respond to request from
>>>>>the compute for clock information."
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>How, from that rule, does it become possible for the operator to say "Hmm.
>>>>>the engine claims a draw,
>>>>
>>>>The engine didn't claim a draw.
>>>>
>>>>Unless you consider the interface part of the engine, but that's IMHO
>>>>another discussion. If the Jonny engine would have claimed the draw
>>>>I would agree with you but given the facts I consider the ICGA decision
>>>>also acceptable.
>>>>
>>>>--
>>>>GCP
>>>
>>>This whole interface/engine discussion seems ridiculous to me...
>>>
>>>If applied to humans, are we to say that the brain and body are the interface
>>>and engine respectively and that, according to the proposed (IMHO illogical)
>>>division, a human can't claim a draw by three-fold repetition using one's mouth
>>>or hands, as these are part of the interface!!??
>>>
>>>All I can see if a whole lot of illogical defences of a poor decision by the TD.
>>
>>FYI "Spock" the TD didn't know what was happening during the game, he didn't
>>understand the question posed to him and consequently we have this non ending
>>chase your tail type arguements. What would you have done, after the fact if you
>>had to make a ruling with your peers?
>>
>>I think I know what you or any sensible person would have done. Nothing would
>>change, Shredder would still be declared the WCCC.
>
>This came up _during_ the game, _after_ the game, and could have been
>handled correctly.  The right thing to do when you screw up is to say "I
>screwed up, the game should have been declared a draw, therefore Fritz
>is the winner and there will be no playoff."  If the TD couldn't figure
>that out before the playoff was over, he should _still_ have said "I
>made a mistake, Fritz is the winner, the playoff is therefore negated."
>
>The event and title are too important to let an incompetent TD decision
>influence the final result.  Mistakes were made.  But the _biggest_ mistake
>was letting the original mistake go uncorrected, then making lame and
>ridiculous excuses about why the original (flawed) decision was really OK
>if you look at it like "this"...

You may find this shocking, but it isn't as important as you claim.

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