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Subject: Re: Darse, how about defending your perspective.

Author: Sune Fischer

Date: 09:49:15 12/11/03

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On December 11, 2003 at 12:30:23, Terry McCracken wrote:
>>
>>I won't quote his post again, but it was quite provocative and condecending IMO,
>>not to mention wrong.
>
>Maybe, and you are...?

At least trying to argue my case and not throwing "if you don't agree with me
it's because you don't understand the rules" in your face :)

>>I'll tell you. They are going to play 3000 moves until one of them crashes! - no
>>I am not kidding, try it yourself!
>
>I know, so it can be stopped. Only a machine with a MONSTER DATABASE could
>handle pass the 50 move rule.

Sure it can be stopped, just pull the plug.

>>That's the technical side of it, it probably takes a chess programmer to fully
>>appreciate these problems and realize their severity, no offence.
>
>I don't doubt it, but it isn't impossible either.
>
>>But going a bit deeper than that, how do you design a program that knowns when
>>to make the draw claim and when not to?
>
>Make it "smart", remember, 40 years ago computer would _never_ beat a master!

If you made it "smart" it would avoid the draw in the first place.

What you're proposing is some way to recover from a fatal bug, while I'm saying
"spend your time on getting rid of the fatal bug".

>>I guess you want some sort of clause, "If I have a bug and accidentally played
>>into a draw but otherwise is winning, then don't claim it".
>
>Didn't imply that.

I extrapolated, I don't see any other reason to why you would want to continue
playing after having selected a drawn line, presumably the point of playing the
draw was to achieve the draw.
If my logic is flawed please feel free to point it out to me :)

>>I disagree, for two reasons.
>>
>>First of all no FIDE TD would ever allow a player to lose on purpose, for that
>>reason I think a draw should have claimed.
>
>Of course it should, and you've misunderstood me!

If we agree the TD should have ruled a draw, then what are we disagreeing on?

Is the TD really allowed to let a player continue playing when that means
certain defeat?
From what I hear some TDs even get angry with players agreeing on fast draws, so
imagine losing on purpose!

>Thanks for the LECTURE.....

Anytime, glad I could be there for you.
;)

-S.



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