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Subject: Re: 12th WCCC, Bar-Ilan University: why not to go.

Author: Omid David Tabibi

Date: 12:01:15 12/12/03

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On December 12, 2003 at 10:00:10, Robert Hyatt wrote:

>On December 12, 2003 at 03:11:43, Omid David Tabibi wrote:
>
>>On December 12, 2003 at 01:53:04, Matthew Hull wrote:
>>
>>>On December 12, 2003 at 01:40:25, Johan de Koning wrote:
>>>
>>>>On December 10, 2003 at 10:36:44, Matthew Hull wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>On December 10, 2003 at 02:46:34, Johan de Koning wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>>c) lots of wasted time and I loved every minute of it.
>>>>>
>>>>>Is this the European way or just the ICGA way?
>>>>
>>>>My point was that the WCCC is an event.
>>>>An event by & for humans, not by & for computers.
>>>>Barking madness, as you call it, is part of the event.
>>>>Technicalities (organizational and electrical) are part of the event.
>>>>They can be discussed, but still they are technicalities.
>>>>
>>>>Humans are pretty smart (even the ones that fail to agree with me :-).
>>>>They can easily survive and multiply with only 1 hour "work" per day.
>>>>The rest of their lives is about wasting time (aka money) in an
>>>>enjoyable manner. Creating a chess program is enjoyable. Pitting it
>>>>against others is enjoyable, and even if it isn't, learning why not
>>>>is enjoyable. Going to the movies is enjoyable. And finally, joining
>>>>the WCCC *can* be enjoyable.
>>>>
>>>>However, optimizing an event like the WCCC for time is like compressing
>>>>LotR for a 22' time slot: an interesting challenge, but a completely
>>>>different thing. And while I'm with the analogy, [snipped more blah].
>>>>
>>>>... Johan
>>>
>>>
>>>I completely grok what you are saying.  However, the happy medium between a
>>>leisurely event and an efficient, cost-effective event must be balanced
>>>according to the needs of the _World's_ participants with the primary goal of
>>>the event in view.  Instead, it seems to us that they are balanced by only
>>>considering the needs of Europeans (and relatively near nieghbors) who have
>>>loads of liesure time to burn.
>>
>>There were quite a number of Canadians in the conference during that period. So,
>>it seems that the problem is not with the Europeans and their near neighbors,
>>but with Americans.
>
>A question.  Did they stay the entire 1.5 weeks, or did they come for a
>day or two or three to present something, and then leave?  That's an
>important factoid, as it is related to the "time" issue I have raised for
>so many years...

Schaeffer and Marsland were there for the whole 10 days. I have a hard time
imagining that Schaeffer's courses are any less important than yours...




>
>>
>>There was *unfortunately* very little time to waste in Graz. I emphasize
>>"unfortunately", because I enjoyed every minute of the "wasted" time. Dave
>>Gomboc from Canada (which for some reason mistook the Austrian autumn for
>>Canadian summer!), will also tell you how enjoyable the event was :)
>>
>>
>>>
>>>Matt



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