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Subject: Re: Endgame Test Position(Crafty fails to see the draw score)

Author: Steven J. Brann

Date: 15:47:43 12/12/03

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On December 12, 2003 at 18:12:16, ALI MIRAFZALI wrote:

>In this simple position Crafty 19.03 fails to see the draw score.Compare
>Chessmaster 9000 superior analysis posted after crafty.Results for some other
>programs are also of interest here:(the challege is to show 0.00 score)
>[D]2k5/1R2P1K1/2P5/8/8/8/8/4r3 b
>Analysis by Crafty 19.03:
>crafty-19,03  WB2 5 MB:
>D9  35:01  6.13   69. ... Rg1+ 70. Kf7 Rf1+ 71. Ke6 Re1+ 72. Kd6 Re6+ 73. Kc5
>Re5+ 74. Kd4 Re4+ 75. Kd5 Re5+ 76. Kc4 Re4+ 77. Kd3 Re1
>D10  35:01  6.00   69. ... Rg1+ 70. Kf7 Rf1+ 71. Ke6 Re1+ 72. Kd6 Re6+ 73. Kc5
>Re5+ 74. Kd4 Re4+ 75. Kd3 Re3+ 76. Kc4 Re4+ 77. Kb5 Re5+ 78. Kb4 Re6
>D11  35:01  6.00   69. ... Rg1+ 70. Kf7 Rf1+ 71. Ke6 Re1+ 72. Kd6 Re6+ 73. Kc5
>Re5+ 74. Kd4 Re4+ 75. Kc3 Rc4+ 76. Kd3 Rxc6 77. e8=Q+ Kxb7 78. Qd7+ Rc7 79. Qb5+
>Kc8 80. Qe8+ Kb7 81. Ke4
>D12  35:03  5.93   69. ... Rg1+ 70. Kf7 Rf1+ 71. Ke6 Re1+ 72. Kd6 Re6+ 73. Kc5
>Re5+ 74. Kd4 Re4+ 75. Kc3 Re3+ 76. Kc4 Re4+ 77. Kb5 Re5+ 78. Kb4 Re4+ 79. Kb3
>Re3+ 80. Kc2 Re4
>D13  35:05  5.83   69. ... Rg1+ 70. Kf7 Rf1+ 71. Ke6 Re1+ 72. Kd6 Re6+ 73. Kc5
>Re5+ 74. Kd4 Re4+ 75. Kc3 Re3+ 76. Kc4 Re4+ 77. Kb5 Re5+ 78. Kb4 Re4+ 79. Kb3
>Re3+ 80. Ka4 Re4+ 81. Ka5 Re3
>D14  35:06  5.89   69. ... Rg1+ 70. Kf7 Rf1+ 71. Ke6 Re1+ 72. Kd6 Re6+ 73. Kc5
>Re5+ 74. Kd4 Re4+ 75. Kc3 Re3+ 76. Kc4 Re4+ 77. Kb5 Re5+ 78. Kb4 Re4+ 79. Kb3
>Re3+ 80. Ka4 Re2 81. Rd7 Re1
>D15  35:08  5.83   69. ... Rg1+ 70. Kf7 Rf1+ 71. Ke6 Re1+ 72. Kd6 Re6+ 73. Kc5
>Re5+ 74. Kd4 Re4+ 75. Kc3 Re3+ 76. Kc4 Re4+ 77. Kb5 Re5+ 78. Kb4 Re4+ 79. Kb3
>Re3+ 80. Ka4 Re4+ 81. Ka5 Re5+ 82. Kb6 Rb5+ 83. Ka7 Re5
>D16  35:09  5.43   69. ... Rg1+!!
>D16  35:09  5.44   69. ... Rg1+ 70. Kf7 Rf1+ 71. Ke6 Re1+ 72. Kd6 Re6+ 73. Kc5
>Re5+ 74. Kd4 Re4+ 75. Kc3 Re3+ 76. Kc4 Re4+ 77. Kb5 Re5+ 78. Kb4 Re4+ 79. Kb3
>Re3+ 80. Ka4 Re4+ 81. Ka5 Re5+ 82. Kb6 Rb5+ 83. Ka7 Re5
>D17  35:11  5.70   69. ... Rg1+ 70. Kf7 Rf1+ 71. Ke6 Re1+ 72. Kd6 Re6+ 73. Kc5
>Re5+ 74. Kd4 Re4+ 75. Kc3 Re3+ 76. Kc4 Re4+ 77. Kb5 Re5+ 78. Kb4 Re4+ 79. Kb3
>Re3+ 80. Ka4 Re4+ 81. Ka3 Re3+ 82. Kb2 Re2+ 83. Kc1 Rc2+ 84. Kd1 Rc1+ 85. Ke2
>Rxc6 86. e8=Q+ Kxb7
>D18  35:13  5.71   69. ... Rg1+ 70. Kf7 Rf1+ 71. Ke6 Re1+ 72. Kd6 Re6+ 73. Kc5
>Re5+ 74. Kd4 Re4+ 75. Kc3 Re3+ 76. Kc4 Re4+ 77. Kb5 Re5+ 78. Kb4 Re4+ 79. Kb3
>Re3+ 80. Ka4 Re4+ 81. Ka3 Re3+ 82. Kb2 Re2+ 83. Kc1 Rc2+ 84. Kd1 Rc1+ 85. Ke2
>Rxc6 86. Rb8+ Kxb8 87. e8=Q+
>D19  35:18  5.33   69. ... Rg1+ 70. Kf7 Rf1+ 71. Ke6 Re1+ 72. Kd6 Re6+ 73. Kc5
>Re5+ 74. Kd4 Re4+ 75. Kc3 Re3+ 76. Kc4 Re4+ 77. Kb5 Re5+ 78. Kb4 Re4+ 79. Kb3
>Re3+ 80. Ka4 Re4+ 81. Ka3 Re3+ 82. Kb2 Re2+ 83. Kc1 Re1+ 84. Kd2 Re2+ 85. Kd1
>Rd2+ <HT>
>D20  35:33  5.70   69. ... Rg1+ 70. Kf7 Rf1+ 71. Ke6 Re1+ 72. Kd6 Re6+ 73. Kc5
>Re5+ 74. Kd4 Re4+ 75. Kc3 Re6 76. Kd3 Re3+ 77. Kc4 Re4+ 78. Kb3 Re3+ 79. Ka4
>Re4+ 80. Ka3 Re3+ 81. Kb2 Re2+ 82. Kc1 Re6 83. Kd2 Rd6+ 84. Ke3 Re6+ 85. Kf4
>Rf6+ 86. Kg5 Rxc6 87. e8=Q+ Kxb7
>D21  37:05  5.70   69. ... Rg1+ 70. Kf7 Rf1+ 71. Ke6 Re1+ 72. Kd6 Re6+ 73. Kc5
>Re5+ 74. Kd4 Re4+ 75. Kc3 Re6 76. Kb4 Re4+ 77. Kb5 Re5+ 78. Kc4 Re4+ 79. Kb3
>Re3+ 80. Ka4 Re4+ 81. Ka3 Re3+ 82. Kb2 Re2+ 83. Kc1 Re6 84. Kd2 Rd6+ 85. Ke3
>Re6+ 86. Kf4 Rf6+ 87. Kg5 Rxc6 88. e8=Q+ Kxb7
>D22  43:12  5.30   69. ... Rg1+!!
>D22  47:50  5.31   69. ... Rg1+ 70. Kf7 Rf1+ 71. Ke6 Re1+ 72. Kd6 Re6+ 73. Kc5
>Re5+ 74. Kd4 Re4+ 75. Kc3 Re6 76. Kb4 Re4+ 77. Kb5 Re5+ 78. Kc4 Re4+ 79. Kb3
>Re3+ 80. Ka4 Re4+ 81. Ka3 Re3+ 82. Kb2 Re2+ 83. Kc1 Re6 84. Kd2 Rd6+ 85. Ke3
>Re6+ 86. Kf4 Rf6+ 87. Kg5 Rxc6 88. e8=Q+ Kxb7
>
>
>Analysis by Chessmaster 9000 (default personality):
>Time	Depth	Score	Positions	Moves
>0:06	12/16	1.76	1538791		1...Rg1+ 2.Kf7 Rf1+ 3.Ke6 Re1+
>					4.Kd5 Rd1+ 5.Ke5 Re1+ 6.Kd6 Rd1+
>					7.Kc5 Rc1+ 8.Kd4 Rd1+ 9.Kc4 Rc1+
>					10.Kd3 Rd1+ 11.Ke2 Re1+ 12.Kf3
>					Re3+ 13.Kf4 Re4+ 14.Kg3 Re3+ 15.Kg4
>					Re4+ 16.Kg5 Re5+
>0:09	13/17	1.70	2272253		1...Rg1+ 2.Kf7 Rf1+ 3.Ke6 Re1+
>					4.Kd5 Rd1+ 5.Ke5 Re1+ 6.Kd6 Rd1+
>					7.Kc5 Rc1+ 8.Kd4 Rd1+ 9.Kc4 Rc1+
>					10.Kd3 Rd1+ 11.Ke2 Re1+ 12.Kd2
>					Rd1+ 13.Kc3 Rc1+ 14.Kb2 Rb1+ 15.Ka3
>					Ra1+ 16.Kb4 Rb1+
>0:13	14/18	1.62	3552443		1...Rg1+ 2.Kf7 Rf1+ 3.Ke6 Re1+
>					4.Kd5 Rd1+ 5.Ke5 Re1+ 6.Kd6 Rd1+
>					7.Kc5 Rc1+ 8.Kd4 Rd1+ 9.Kc4 Rc1+
>					10.Kd3 Rd1+ 11.Ke2 Re1+ 12.Kd2
>					Rd1+ 13.Kc3 Rc1+ 14.Kb2 Rb1+ 15.Ka3
>					Ra1+ 16.Kb4 Rb1+
>0:22	15/19	1.60	6010672		1...Rg1+ 2.Kf7 Rf1+ 3.Ke6 Re1+
>					4.Kd5 Rd1+ 5.Ke5 Re1+ 6.Kd6 Rd1+
>					7.Kc5 Rc1+ 8.Kd4 Rd1+ 9.Kc4 Rc1+
>					10.Kd3 Rd1+ 11.Ke2 Re1+ 12.Kd2
>					Rd1+ 13.Kc3 Rc1+ 14.Kb2 Rb1+ 15.Kc2
>					Rc1+ 16.Kb3 Rb1+
>0:39	16/20	1.40	10732282	1...Rg1+ 2.Kf7 Rf1+ 3.Ke6 Re1+
>					4.Kd5 Rd1+ 5.Ke5 Re1+ 6.Kd6 Rd1+
>					7.Kc5 Rc1+ 8.Kd4 Rd1+ 9.Kc4 Rc1+
>					10.Kd3 Rd1+ 11.Ke2 Re1+ 12.Kd2
>					Rd1+ 13.Kc3 Rc1+ 14.Kb4 Rb1+ 15.Ka5
>					Ra1+ 16.Kb5 Rb1+
>1:32	17/21	1.36	25171972	1...Rg1+ 2.Kf7 Rf1+ 3.Ke6 Re1+
>					4.Kd5 Rd1+ 5.Ke5 Re1+ 6.Kd6 Rd1+
>					7.Kc5 Rc1+ 8.Kb4 Rb1+ 9.Ka5 Ra1+
>					10.Kb5 Rb1+ 11.Kc4 Rc1+ 12.Kb3
>					Rb1+ 13.Kc3 Rc1+ 14.Kd2 Rd1+ 15.Ke2
>					Re1+ 16.Kf3 Re3+
>2:49	18/22	1.30	45249244	1...Rg1+ 2.Kf7 Rf1+ 3.Ke6 Re1+
>					4.Kd5 Rd1+ 5.Ke5 Re1+ 6.Kd6 Rd1+
>					7.Kc5 Rc1+ 8.Kd4 Rd1+ 9.Kc4 Rc1+
>					10.Kd3 Rd1+ 11.Ke2 Re1+ 12.Kf3
>					Re3+ 13.Kf4 Re4+ 14.Kg3 Re3+ 15.Kg4
>					Re4+ 16.Kg5 Re5+
>5:56	19/23	1.19	94578871	1...Rg1+ 2.Kf7 Rf1+ 3.Ke6 Re1+
>					4.Kd5 Rd1+ 5.Ke5 Re1+ 6.Kd6 Rd1+
>					7.Kc5 Rc1+ 8.Kd4 Rd1+ 9.Kc4 Rc1+
>					10.Kd3 Rd1+ 11.Ke2 Re1+ 12.Kf3
>					Re3+ 13.Kf4 Re4+ 14.Kg3 Re3+ 15.Kg4
>					Re4+ 16.Kg5 Re5+
>9:00	20/24	0.00	146403790	1...Rg1+ 2.Kf7 Rf1+ 3.Ke6 Re1+
>					4.Kd5 Rd1+ 5.Ke5 Rd5+ 6.Ke6 Rd6+
>					7.Kf5 Rd5+ 8.Kf4 Rd4+ 9.Kf3 Rd3+
>					10.Ke2 Rd2+ 11.Ke1 Rd1+ 12.Kxd1
>Please indicate your result.


When CM9000 shows a 0.00 score, a draw is usually a sure bet.  However on a P4
3.0G machine, the default personality with selective search = 16 doesn't quite
get there.

Time	Depth	Score	Positions	Moves
0:00	1/9	2.10	151840		1...Rg1+ 2.Kf7 Rf1+ 3.Ke6 Rf6+
					4.Kd5 Rd6+ 5.Kc5 Rxc6+ 6.Kd5 Kxb7
					7.e8=Q Rc7 8.Qb5+ Kc8 9.Ke4
0:01	1/10	2.07	458491		1...Rg1+ 2.Kf7 Rf1+ 3.Ke6 Rf6+
					4.Kd5 Rf5+ 5.Kd6 Rd5+ 6.Ke6 Rd6+
					7.Ke5 Rd5+ 8.Ke4 Re5+ 9.Kd3 Rd5+
					10.Kc4 Rc5+ 11.Kd4
0:01	1/11	1.88	705855		1...Rg1+ 2.Kf7 Rf1+ 3.Ke6 Re1+
					4.Kf5 Re5+ 5.Kg6 Re6+ 6.Kh5 Rh6+
					7.Kg5 Rh5+ 8.Kg6 Rh6+ 9.Kf5 Rf6+
					10.Ke4 Re6+ 11.Kf3 Rf6+ 12.Kg4 Re6
0:01	1/12	1.87	745464		1...Rg1+ 2.Kf7 Rf1+ 3.Ke6 Re1+
					4.Kd5 Re5+ 5.Kd4 Re4+ 6.Kc5 Re5+
					7.Kb4 Re4+ 8.Kb5 Re5+ 9.Kc4 Re4+
					10.Kd3 Re3+ 11.Kd2 Re2+ 12.Kc3 Re6
0:01	2/13	2.01	793967		1...Rg1+ 2.Kf7 Rf1+ 3.Ke6 Re1+
					4.Kd5 Re5+ 5.Kd4 Re4+ 6.Kc5 Re5+
					7.Kb4 Re4+ 8.Kb5 Re5+ 9.Kc4 Re4+
					10.Kb3 Re3+ 11.Kc2 Rc3+ 12.Kb2
					Rxc6 13.e8=Q+ Kxb7 14.Qe4
0:02	3/14	1.74	939184		1...Rg1+ 2.Kf7 Rf1+ 3.Ke6 Re1+
					4.Kd5 Re5+ 5.Kd4 Re4+ 6.Kc5 Re5+
					7.Kb4 Re4+ 8.Kb5 Re5+ 9.Kc4 Re4+
					10.Kd3 Re3+ 11.Kc2 Re2+ 12.Kc3
					Re3+ 13.Kd2 Rd3+ 14.Kc2 Rd2+ 15.Kc3
					Re2
0:02	4/15	1.77	1090867		1...Rg1+ 2.Kf7 Rf1+ 3.Ke6 Re1+
					4.Kd5 Re5+ 5.Kd4 Re4+ 6.Kc5 Re5+
					7.Kb4 Re4+ 8.Kb5 Re5+ 9.Kc4 Re4+
					10.Kc3 Re6 11.Kb3 Re3+ 12.Kc2 Re6
					13.Kd2 Re2+ 14.Kd3
0:03	5/16	1.61	1409807		1...Rg1+ 2.Kf7 Rf1+ 3.Ke6 Re1+
					4.Kd5 Re5+ 5.Kd4 Re4+ 6.Kc5 Re5+
					7.Kb4 Re4+ 8.Kb5 Re5+ 9.Kc4 Re4+
					10.Kd3 Re3+ 11.Kc2 Re6 12.Kb3 Re3+
					13.Kb2 Re2+ 14.Kc1 Rc2+ 15.Kb1
					Rc1+ 16.Kb2 Re1
0:04	6/17	1.64	1823762		1...Rg1+ 2.Kf7 Rf1+ 3.Ke6 Re1+
					4.Kd5 Re5+ 5.Kd4 Re4+ 6.Kc5 Re5+
					7.Kb4 Re4+ 8.Kb5 Re5+ 9.Kc4 Re4+
					10.Kb3 Re3+ 11.Kb2 Re2+ 12.Kc3
					Re6 13.Kd3 Re3+ 14.Kc2 Re6 15.Kd1
					Re1+ 16.Kd2
0:06	7/18	1.57	2933898		1...Rg1+ 2.Kf7 Rf1+ 3.Ke6 Re1+
					4.Kd5 Re5+ 5.Kd4 Re4+ 6.Kc5 Re5+
					7.Kb4 Re4+ 8.Kb5 Re5+ 9.Kc4 Re4+
					10.Kb3 Re3+ 11.Ka2 Re2+ 12.Ka3
					Re3+ 13.Kb2 Re2+ 14.Kc3 Re6 15.Kd2
					Re2+ 16.Kd3 Re3+
0:09	8/19	1.56	4574263		1...Rg1+ 2.Kf7 Rf1+ 3.Ke6 Re1+
					4.Kd5 Re5+ 5.Kd4 Re4+ 6.Kc5 Re5+
					7.Kb4 Re4+ 8.Kb5 Re5+ 9.Kc4 Re4+
					10.Kc3 Re6 11.Kb2 Re2+ 12.Kb3 Re3+
					13.Kc2 Re6 14.Kb1 Re1+ 15.Ka2 Re2+
					16.Ka3 Re3+
0:16	9/20	1.50	8494413		1...Rg1+ 2.Kf7 Rf1+ 3.Ke6 Re1+
					4.Kd5 Re5+ 5.Kd4 Re4+ 6.Kc5 Re5+
					7.Kb4 Re4+ 8.Kb5 Re5+ 9.Kc4 Re4+
					10.Kc3 Re6 11.Kd3 Re3+ 12.Kc2 Re6
					13.Kb3 Re3+ 14.Ka2 Re2+ 15.Ka3
					Re3+ 16.Kb2 Re2+
0:26	10/21	1.52	14181888	1...Rg1+ 2.Kf7 Rf1+ 3.Ke6 Re1+
					4.Kd5 Re5+ 5.Kd4 Re4+ 6.Kc5 Re5+
					7.Kb4 Re4+ 8.Kb5 Re5+ 9.Kc4 Re4+
					10.Kc3 Re6 11.Ra7 Rxc6+ 12.Kd4
					Re6 13.Kc5 Re2 14.Kd6 Rd2+ 15.Ke6
					Re2+ 16.Kf7 Rf2+
0:36	11/22	1.35	19810532	1...Rg1+ 2.Kf7 Rf1+ 3.Ke6 Re1+
					4.Kd5 Re5+ 5.Kd4 Re4+ 6.Kc5 Re5+
					7.Kb4 Re4+ 8.Kb5 Re5+ 9.Kc4 Re4+
					10.Kc3 Re3+ 11.Kd2 Re2+ 12.Kd3
					Re3+ 13.Kc2 Re2+ 14.Kc1 Re6 15.Ra7
					Rxc6+ 16.Kd2 Re6
1:18	12/23	0.35	43138075	1...Rg1+ 2.Kf7 Rf1+ 3.Ke6 Re1+
					4.Kd5 Re5+ 5.Kd4 Re4+ 6.Kc5 Re5+
					7.Kb4 Re4+ 8.Kb5 Re5+ 9.Kc4 Re4+
					10.Kb3 Re3+ 11.Ka4 Re4+ 12.Ka5
					Re5+ 13.Rb5 Rxe7 14.Kb6 Re2 15.Rb4
					Rg2 16.Rc4 Rb2+
1:48	13/24	0.35	60852627	1...Rg1+ 2.Kf7 Rf1+ 3.Ke6 Re1+
					4.Kd5 Re5+ 5.Kd4 Re4+ 6.Kc5 Re5+
					7.Kb4 Re4+ 8.Kb5 Re5+ 9.Kc4 Re4+
					10.Kb3 Re3+ 11.Kc2 Re2+ 12.Kb1
					Re1+ 13.Kb2 Re2+ 14.Ka3 Re3+ 15.Ka4
					Re4+ 16.Ka5 Re5+
2:52	14/25	0.35	98934697	1...Rg1+ 2.Kf7 Rf1+ 3.Ke6 Re1+
					4.Kd5 Re5+ 5.Kd4 Re4+ 6.Kc3 Re3+
					7.Kd2 Re2+ 8.Kd3 Re3+ 9.Kc2 Re2+
					10.Kb1 Re1+ 11.Ka2 Re2+ 12.Ka3
					Re3+ 13.Kb2 Re2+ 14.Kb3 Re3+ 15.Ka4
					Re4+ 16.Rb4 Rxe7
4:25	15/26	0.35	154192733	1...Rg1+ 2.Kf7 Rf1+ 3.Ke6 Re1+
					4.Kd5 Re5+ 5.Kd4 Re4+ 6.Kc3 Re3+
					7.Kd2 Re2+ 8.Kd3 Re3+ 9.Kc2 Re2+
					10.Kb1 Re1+ 11.Kb2 Re2+ 12.Kb3
					Re3+ 13.Kb4 Re4+ 14.Ka3 Re3+ 15.Ka4
					Re4+ 16.Rb4 Rxe7
6:58	16/27	0.35	245760669	1...Rg1+ 2.Kf7 Rf1+ 3.Ke6 Re1+
					4.Kd5 Re5+ 5.Kd4 Re4+ 6.Kc3 Re3+
					7.Kd2 Re2+ 8.Kd3 Re3+ 9.Kc2 Re2+
					10.Kb1 Re1+ 11.Kb2 Re2+ 12.Kb3
					Re3+ 13.Kb4 Re4+ 14.Ka3 Re3+ 15.Ka4
					Re4+ 16.Rb4 Rxe7
11:02	17/28	0.35	387452182	1...Rg1+ 2.Kf7 Rf1+ 3.Ke6 Re1+
					4.Kd5 Re5+ 5.Kd4 Re4+ 6.Kc3 Re3+
					7.Kd2 Re2+ 8.Kd3 Re3+ 9.Kc2 Re2+
					10.Kb1 Re1+ 11.Kb2 Re2+ 12.Kb3
					Re3+ 13.Kb4 Re4+ 14.Ka3 Re3+ 15.Ka4
					Re4+ 16.Rb4 Rxe7

Steve




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