Author: Robert Hyatt
Date: 19:46:29 12/12/03
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On December 12, 2003 at 01:46:17, Johan de Koning wrote: >On December 10, 2003 at 10:23:29, Robert Hyatt wrote: > >>On December 10, 2003 at 02:52:24, Johan de Koning wrote: >> >>\>>chose this route. It might be painful. It was certainly avoidable. >>> >>>You know you're not doing anyone a favor by leaving the ICGA, and >>>certainly not yourself. So I'm asking you to think twice before you >>>put your money where your mouth is. >>> >>>... Johan >> >> >>My point is that in 1977, I helped form an organization for certain specific >>reasons. That organization has completely disconnected itself from the original >>purpose(s) it was formed for. IE it should be at the front of the pack with >>using automatic interfaces. It isn't. It should have reasonable rules that >>work with todays plug-in engine designs. It doesn't. It should provide TDs >>that make consistent decisions. One year the GUI is correct, the next year >>the engine is what counts, etc. Not consistent. And finally it should >>promote computer chess around the world. That's pretty obviously not being >>done. >> >>Now remind me exactly why I would join such an organization again? Should I >>enjoy reviewing papers for them (hard work). Should I enjoy attending events >>where there is a major debacle every year? Etc. > >While we're in should-should-should mode: yes you should. > >And, since the ICGA is still *the* world wide organization, you should >enjoy (relatively at least) staying part of it. > >And, since walking away never makes things better, you shouldn't. >Not to mention the fact that walking back will hurt, and not walking >back will also hurt. Here I disagree. The ICCA/ICGA/ECGA/etc has abdicated its responsibilities as originally defined in 1977. There are now alternatives, ICC being a good example. The events are fun. People still chat. And perhaps we will find other ways to do face-to-face events without that 2-week time requirement that makes them very painful at the moment. > >>ICC is so much more enjoyable, and I actually get to play games vs GM players >>regularly, something I've never gotten to do at an ICCA / ICGA event. :) > >ICC and ICGA are not mutuallay exclusive. >By all means, enjoy ICC as much as you can. >Personally I enjoy sleeping, and in my dreams I get to actually finger >and [BLEEPETYBLEEP]. Which is not allowed at ICGA events. :-) > >... Johan Actually it does happen. I believe Frans was [bleepetybleeped] in Graz. :)
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